Climategate - What do you think?

[Viperfreak2]

Originally Posted by Lambeau

Global warming due to humans is a bunch of bullshit. Nothing more than scare tactics by the liberals trying to justify their agenda and garner votes. Simple as that.

If it all is a lie, what does it hurt? We are cleaning the world, which will only benefit future humans. Can anyone argue with that?

Today I drank a cup of water from a bio-plastic. It will self destruct, while a real plastic cup will sit in a landfill, stream or ocean for thousands of years. Are the lies responsible for this? Is it a bad thing?

Conservatives should start acting like the word. CONSERVE.

1911. How cold for how long does it take to freeze Niagara Falls?

[anguswolfendale]

I agree that if the consequence of the Global Warming debate is a reduction in pollution and consumption of non-renewable energy sources - well and good. But let's be honest and say that is what we are seeking to achieve. There is no evidence that human activity is changing the planet's climate. It has changed dramatically before, many times, before man was on the planet - just look at the geological evidence. How ludicrous is it to try and create "limits" on the degrees of global warming we are going to work within - we can't control the world to that level!!!!!!!

The UK government has taken the opportunity to raise tax revenue by using the climate change argument, without taking account of EVIDENCE. Cow's methane emissions being far worse as an atmospheric pollutant than car emissions, for example, yet motorists are being clobbered by ratcheting hikes in duty on fuel.

Unfortunately the UK Government quotes science when it suits, but is happy to discount it, even sack scientific advisers, when the results don't suit their political agenda.

Availability of clean drinking water for many people is the most crucial issue right now. Without that, we don't exist, irrespective of the ambient temperature!

[amacman]

Gordon Brown thinks he can save the world .
do you think you could tell him otherwise .
he has some serious OCD when it comes to taxes , some people think he is a genius , I had all those taxes figured when I was at high school .
All sorts of people getting paid fortunes to advise Government because government does not have the wherewithall to think logically .
some of the advisers can`t think logically .
they bow too easily to pressure groups who have their own agenda .
Think how many Government ministers were CND or whatever activists as students , they have all changed their views when confronted with the reality of the world .
the main agenda of any Government is to stay in office .
they have enough problems in UK to deal with so how do they expect to save the world .

[motordavid]

For the UK Gang, a good pic from a NASA satellite showing the snow cover on 1-7-2010...enjoy the sledding and snowman making!
GL,mD

[LobsterX]

Originally Posted by Viperfreak2

If it all is a lie, what does it hurt?

How about Cap and Trade and increased taxes?

[Viperfreak2]

That is short term thinking. In 50 years we will have fusion power and robots will do all the work. Think about turning the Earth back into a paradise, tearing up interstates and exploring the universe. Yes it sounds like Star Trek, but I believe we only have to make it through the next 40-50 years without destroying ourselves and the planet. Most of us probably will live that long.

Cap and trade? Money is money. It all moves from one place to another, the rich get richer. The key (short term) is to keep more of it in our own country instead of sending to China (Wal-mart!) and the middle east for oil. Look at the things they are building with our money:

[Viperfreak2]

An interesting view of the NEAR future:


In 2055 the nation hit a big milestone -- over half of the American workforce was unemployed, and the number was still rising. Nearly every "normal" job that had been filled by a human being in 2001 was filled by a robot instead. At restaurants, robots did all the cooking, cleaning and order taking. At construction sites, robots did everything -- Robots poured the concrete, laid brick, built the home's frame, put in the windows and doors, sided the house, roofed it, plumbed it, wired it, hung the drywall, painted it, etc. At the airport, robots flew the planes, sold the tickets, moved the luggage, handled security, kept the building clean and managed air traffic control. At the hospital robots cared for the patients, cooked and delivered the food, cleaned everything and handled many of the administrative tasks. At the mall, stores were stocked, cleaned and clerked by robots. At the amusement park, hundreds of robots ran the rides, cleaned the park and sold the concessions. On the roads, robots drove all the cars and trucks. Companies like Fedex, UPS and the post office had huge numbers of robots instead of people sorting packages, driving trucks and making deliveries. By 2055 robots had taken over the workplace and there was no turning back.
I know what you are thinking. You are thinking, "This is impossible -- there will not be humanoid robots in 2055. It is a ridiculous suggestion." But they will be here. Humanoid robots are as inevitable as airplanes.

Imagine this. Imagine that you could travel back in time to the year 1900. Imagine that you stand on a soap box on a city street corner in 1900 and you say to the gathering crowd, "By 1955, people will be flying at supersonic speeds in sleek aircraft and traveling coast to coast in just a few hours." In 1900, it would have been insane to suggest that. In 1900, airplanes did not even exist. Orville and Wilbur did not make the first flight until 1903. The Model T Ford did not appear until 1909. Yet, by 1947, Chuck Yeager flew the X1 at supersonic speeds. In 1954, the B-52 bomber made its maiden flight. It took only 51 years to go from a rickety wooden airplane flying at 10 MPH, to a gigantic aluminum jet-powered Stratofortress carrying 70,000 pounds of bombs halfway around the world at 550 MPH. In 1958, Pan Am started non-stop jet flights between New York and Paris in the Boeing 707. In 1969, Americans set foot on the moon. It is unbelievable what engineers and corporations can accomplish in 50 or 60 short years.

[AzX5]

Originally Posted by Viperfreak2

An interesting view of the NEAR future:


In 2055 the nation hit a big milestone -- over half of the American workforce was unemployed, and the number was still rising. Nearly every "normal" job that had been filled by a human being in 2001 was filled by a robot instead. At restaurants, robots did all the cooking, cleaning and order taking. At construction sites, robots did everything -- Robots poured the concrete, laid brick, built the home's frame, put in the windows and doors, sided the house, roofed it, plumbed it, wired it, hung the drywall, painted it, etc. At the airport, robots flew the planes, sold the tickets, moved the luggage, handled security, kept the building clean and managed air traffic control. At the hospital robots cared for the patients, cooked and delivered the food, cleaned everything and handled many of the administrative tasks. At the mall, stores were stocked, cleaned and clerked by robots. At the amusement park, hundreds of robots ran the rides, cleaned the park and sold the concessions. On the roads, robots drove all the cars and trucks. Companies like Fedex, UPS and the post office had huge numbers of robots instead of people sorting packages, driving trucks and making deliveries. By 2055 robots had taken over the workplace and there was no turning back.
I know what you are thinking. You are thinking, "This is impossible -- there will not be humanoid robots in 2055. It is a ridiculous suggestion." But they will be here. Humanoid robots are as inevitable as airplanes.

Imagine this. Imagine that you could travel back in time to the year 1900. Imagine that you stand on a soap box on a city street corner in 1900 and you say to the gathering crowd, "By 1955, people will be flying at supersonic speeds in sleek aircraft and traveling coast to coast in just a few hours." In 1900, it would have been insane to suggest that. In 1900, airplanes did not even exist. Orville and Wilbur did not make the first flight until 1903. The Model T Ford did not appear until 1909. Yet, by 1947, Chuck Yeager flew the X1 at supersonic speeds. In 1954, the B-52 bomber made its maiden flight. It took only 51 years to go from a rickety wooden airplane flying at 10 MPH, to a gigantic aluminum jet-powered Stratofortress carrying 70,000 pounds of bombs halfway around the world at 550 MPH. In 1958, Pan Am started non-stop jet flights between New York and Paris in the Boeing 707. In 1969, Americans set foot on the moon. It is unbelievable what engineers and corporations can accomplish in 50 or 60 short years.

I think it's safe to say that if unemployment were > 50% there wouldn't be much airplanes flying or amusement parks still in existance, but no doubt the technology advancements will be unbelievable in the next 40+ years...

[Viperfreak2]

Again, we have to readjust our 'future' thinking. Unemployment will be a good thing. Why work? What are the basics that the machines will provide? Food, clothing, Shelter, energy. If you have robots growing the food, harvesting, driving the trucks to market, and delivering whatever you need to your front door (which the robots built) You will have no food cost, no energy cost, no transportation cost....paradise.

AND the real winning solution: no real government needed.

[Wagner]

Originally Posted by Viperfreak2

Again, we have to readjust our 'future' thinking. Unemployment will be a good thing. Why work? What are the basics that the machines will provide? Food, clothing, Shelter, energy. If you have robots growing the food, harvesting, driving the trucks to market, and delivering whatever you need to your front door (which the robots built) You will have no food cost, no energy cost, no transportation cost....paradise.

AND the real winning solution: no real government needed.

Ahh that first part reads like Rome right before it collapsed. So basically our evolution should be to useless sacks of sh_t? Where do you think innovation comes from, not some jokers sitting on a street corner at 1030am on Tuesday....

The founding fathers wanted to be just left of Anarchy....modern government has changed that because citizens, as you pretty much stated by example, don't want to "do" or be accountable for anything

lets hope your future is not ours