Glenn Beck is entertainment only !!

[MrLabGuy]

So Chili you can dish it out but can't take it. You have no problem tearing down people who don't share your socialist ideology but when someone calls you on your bias it's somehow aggression.

I focus on you because you draw attention to yourself. I don't know how old you are but I suspect you are young by your style. You really think you know better and you think those with other opinions are foolish. The same guy who not only plagiarized someone else's thoughts, ideas and opinions and then went a step farther and attempted to pass them off as your own. When you got busted what did you do...Instead of owning up you made a lame excuse and tried to blow it off.

You think we don't know you did it on purpose? You really believe we fell for your excuse that you did not have the time at work so you just cut and pasted it to save time? You post several times a day and spent a long time doctoring up that LONG blog post to fit what you wanted to say changing just enough words to make it relevant to that issue?

Chili..."Grow a pair" and own up...We all know you were just trying to look smart.

There are several posters who are as liberal as you I don't have any problem with so it's not your political views.

As for this administration:

Obama has broken more campaign promises than ANY president in my lifetime
Obama has spent more money in his first year in office than any president in my lifetime.
Obama has and plans to take away more freedom and add more government than any president in my lifetime.

You can't spend your way out of debt and our Country which was once the greatest in the WORLD is falling apart. More Debt and More Government is not the answer.

Now step up and tell us all what we already know and fess up to your fib.

[wallyx5]

Originally Posted by MrLabGuy

As for this administration:

Obama has broken more campaign promises than ANY president in my lifetime
Obama has spent more money in his first year in office than any president in my lifetime.
Obama has and plans to take away more freedom and add more government than any president in my lifetime.

You can't spend your way out of debt and our Country which was once the greatest in the WORLD is falling apart. More Debt and More Government is not the answer.
fib.

[JCL]

Originally Posted by MrLabGuy

As for this administration:

Obama has broken more campaign promises than ANY president in my lifetime
Obama has spent more money in his first year in office than any president in my lifetime.
Obama has and plans to take away more freedom and add more government than any president in my lifetime.

You can't spend your way out of debt and our Country which was once the greatest in the WORLD is falling apart. More Debt and More Government is not the answer.

Really? What is your source for the above statistic? I hear it repeated like a mantra, but don't know how to evaluate it. I found a somewhat independent site that is keeping score. What are you comparing these scores to, or do you have your own scorecard?

PolitiFact | The Obameter: Tracking Barack Obama's Campaign Promises

I figure that anyone who can keep many more promises than they break, and even more when you consider the compromises reached, is pretty much following the democratic and legislative processes.

No comment on the spending money, I think all US leaders spend too much money. We probably disagree on what they choose to spend it on, ie social welfare, corporate welfare, military conquests, etc.

Isn't GM paying back their loans early? Didn't one or more banks do the same? Just wondering if you are considering cash outflows, or net costs.

The suggestion that Obama is out to take away your freedoms is interesting, but it is so broad, and so oft-repeated, that it is probably worthy of a separate thread seeing as how this thread is about Glenn Beck, and the only connection is that he is one individual profiting from fanning the flames of that fear.

[MrLabGuy]

Originally Posted by JCL

Really? What is your source for the above statistic? I hear it repeated like a mantra, but don't know how to evaluate it. I found a somewhat independent site that is keeping score. What are you comparing these scores to, or do you have your own scorecard?

PolitiFact | The Obameter: Tracking Barack Obama's Campaign Promises

I figure that anyone who can keep many more promises than they break, and even more when you consider the compromises reached, is pretty much following the democratic and legislative processes.

I have a problem with the way they track the promises kept vs the promises broken they heavily weigh the kept by individually things which were already in the works and he had no real control or part in making them happen yet he gets the credit because he mentioned them once. Many are also hard to measure and are essentially meaningless because nothing has been done just promised and announced. Some examples of meaningless and have lead to nothing being done yet

But the bigger picture is what they Left out of his broken promises list and WHY? and the weight of the broken promises when compaired with the ones they list as kept.

I don't have all day to spend on this and there are MANY more.

Such as:

Let's start with the what he calls his first act as President

Day One

"The first thing I'd do as president is sign the Freedom of Choice Act. That's the first thing I'd do."

Here is a big one (strange they don't list this on broken promises)

He's mentioned dozens of time cutting spending in debates and on the campaign trail.

Cutting Spending

“actually, I am cutting more than I’m spending. So it will be a net spending cut.”

“what I've done throughout this campaign is to propose a net spending cut.”

Lobbyists

"Lobbyists won’t work in my White House!"

Health Care

"I Won't Force Americans To Buy Insurance"

Iraq

"Bring troops home in 16 months"

Recess Appointments

Obama declared that a recess appointment is “damaged goods” and has “less credibility” than a normal appointment.

Marcch 27th did just that.

GUANTANAMO BAY

"The detention facilities at Guantánamo for individuals covered by this order shall be closed as soon as practicable, and no later than one year from the date of this order." January 22, 2009.

Transparency

the Obama administration claims it will be "the most open and transparent in history".

Executive signing statements

During the campaign, Obama criticized President Bush for issuing "signing statements," attached letters to congressionally-passed bills that add interpretation and instruction on how to carry out the law.
"That's not part of [the president's] power," Obama told an audience in a recorded video during the campaign, further alleging it was a violation of the Constitution for the president to attach signing statements to signed bills.

Yet he continues with the process.

"eliminate capital gains taxes for small businesses."

"New American jobs tax credit"

"Hiatus on 401(k) penalties"

$4,000 college credit

FISA

Said:

"will support a filibuster of any bill that includes retroactive immunity for telecommunications companies.”

Happened:

“Given the legitimate threats we face, providing effective intelligence collection tools with appropriate safeguards is too important to delay. So I support the compromise, but do so with a firm pledge that as president, I will carefully monitor the program.”

Nuclear Energy

“I am not a nuclear energy proponent.” Barack Obama, December 30, 2007

Public Financing

“If I am the Democratic nominee, I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election.” Also, a Common Cause questionnaire dated November 27, 2007, asked “If you are nominated for President in 2008 and your major opponents agree to forgo private funding in the general election campaign, will you participate in the presidential public financing system?”, Obama checked, “Yes.”

Online

"Instead of allowing lobbyists to slip big corporate tax breaks into bills during the dead of night, we will make sure every single tax break and earmark is available to every American online."

Just a few more

"I'll make oil companies like Exxon pay a tax on their windfall profits, and we'll use the money to help families pay for their skyrocketing energy costs and other bills."

"If we see money being misspent, we're going to put a stop to it, and we will call it out and we will publicize it."

"We can no longer accept a process that doles out earmarks based on a member of Congress's seniority, rather than the merit of the project."

"Barack Obama and Joe Biden believe the United States has to be frank with the Chinese about such failings and will press them to respect human rights."

Some are also not listed correctly by them:

For example: Reduce earmarks to 1994 levels:

when he actually said "We are going to ban all earmarks - the process by which individual members insert pet projects without review," Mr. Obama promised Jan. 6, 2008.

[JCL]

Originally Posted by MrLabGuy

I have a problem with the way they track the promises kept vs the promises broken ......<snip>

OK, lots of text, but that wasn't the question. Your statement was that Obama broke more promises that any president in your lifetime. You were pretty clear on that. I just asked what statistics you used to arrive at that conclusion.

I provided a link that represents a newspaper with a Pullitzer prize. They also appear to be somewhat open minded, but that is just an opinion on my part. They are continuing to track the promises, classified by kept, broken, in process, or stalled. They even track the top 25, which addresses your issue of the weighting of the various promises. I like the category called compromise, where a portion of the promise was kept in exchange for the support of other parties. Conversely, you gave me a website called hotair.com (your first link). It is also primarily outdated hot air, not current, as it isn't up to date. How can you focus only on statistics from last year? You then listed a bunch of things that you feel are broken promises.

All that is fine, but let's get back to the question. If you are going to declare that he broke more promises than any other president, presumably you have some data to back up that position. You haven't listed any complete statistics for even Obama, let alone all the other presidents in your lifetime. How is his kept/broken record? How does it compare to all those other presidents in your lifetime?

[MrLabGuy]

Originally Posted by JCL

OK, lots of text, but that wasn't the question. Your statement was that Obama broke more promises that any president in your lifetime. You were pretty clear on that. I just asked what statistics you used to arrive at that conclusion.

I provided a link that represents a newspaper with a Pullitzer prize. They also appear to be somewhat open minded, but that is just an opinion on my part. They are continuing to track the promises, classified by kept, broken, in process, or stalled. They even track the top 25, which addresses your issue of the weighting of the various promises. I like the category called compromise, where a portion of the promise was kept in exchange for the support of other parties. Conversely, you gave me a website called hotair.com (your first link). It is also primarily outdated hot air, not current, as it isn't up to date. How can you focus only on statistics from last year? You then listed a bunch of things that you feel are broken promises.

All that is fine, but let's get back to the question. If you are going to declare that he broke more promises than any other president, presumably you have some data to back up that position. You haven't listed any complete statistics for even Obama, let alone all the other presidents in your lifetime. How is his kept/broken record? How does it compare to all those other presidents in your lifetime?

Well JCL...You've got me there I'm not a statistician so I don't have a list from all the presidents in my lifetime or even Obama. I just googled broken promises and for some quick examples and tired to list only the ones I remember. I did leave a lot out from those sites where I though were hot air. You do have to admit there were some missing from the site which were verifiable broken promises.

I'm not super Hard Core Conservative. I did vote for Clinton twice so I can't be all that Right Wing. With that said the Nanci Pelosi's of the world are turning me away from the Democrats and now Center Right. Obama has disappointed many democrats as well who expected some of his promises to come true. I'm happy he broke some REALLY!

[MrLabGuy]

Oh..As for the sucking being me and me being scared...You know nothing about my life. You want to make this personal? I know nothing about your life but can tell you're a boy pretending you're a man.

I've got a wife I've been with since we were 15 own two homes in California and a home in Costa Rica do pretty well and have a 3 year old son. You go ahead and think what you want but I assure you I'm not afraid of anything life has to bring. While you blindly follow politicians I have faith in individuals and communities not governments. While you think government is the answer I follow History which if you pay attention chronicles just what harm governments who get too big are capable of doing to the individual and communities.

Personal responsibility and consequences builds strong lasting communities. Take those away and you have what we have today.

[Dannyell]

History and today's warfare have very little in common...

We use Iran and N Korea to justify our military spending...and soon that will end up dry as well...We have bases all over the world...some who have no purpose..and the missile defense system will probably never be used unless there is a WW3 which won't start from Al-Quaida or Iran...

This new deal to cut nukes is a step forward...which our ol Bush was never capable of pulling together...since he treated many nations as inferior thus pushing them away...

[JCL]

Originally Posted by Dannyell

This new deal to cut nukes is a step forward...which our ol Bush was never capable of pulling together...since he treated many nations as inferior thus pushing them away...

I was wondering if that was going to come up. I understand that more government leaders came to that meeting on limiting nuclear weapons, than any summit since FDR. I think that any leader who can get so many different countries cooperating is doing at least one thing right.

MLG, you could even think of the summit meeting attendees as individuals building communities.

[MrLabGuy]

Originally Posted by Dannyell

History and today's warfare have very little in common...

We use Iran and N Korea to justify our military spending...and soon that will end up dry as well...We have bases all over the world...some who have no purpose..and the missile defense system will probably never be used unless there is a WW3 which won't start from Al-Quaida or Iran...

This new deal to cut nukes is a step forward...which our ol Bush was never capable of pulling together...since he treated many nations as inferior thus pushing them away...

I'm talking domestic policy not foreign. I though Iraq was a waste of money and would have used one strategic bombing on the imperial palace while Saddam was tanning out back. Instant leadership change.

As for nukes...Treaties are a poor substitute for a good defense which includes the best armed military in the world.