OK...Finally we get the truth from Obama and his agenda.

[blktoptrvl]

NewsDaily: Odierno "confident" U.S. Iraq drawdown on schedule

"We are ... on target to be at 50,000 (troops) by August," General Raymond Odierno told the "Fox News Sunday" program.


Don't see people can say he is continuing Bush's wars. Bush had no intention of getting out of Iraq ("on his watch") because (a) he couldn't admit how much cash and life he had wasted and (b) he had no idea how to stop this mess he started.

Obama may not have brought all the troops home immediately (never the plan) but they are working on closing out the war that should never have been started.

[Wagner]

Let me know when "we are on target" becomes "we have brought"

[blktoptrvl]

Originally Posted by Wagner

Let me know when "we are on target" becomes "we have brought"

So, in your mind, these two presidents have the same goals, attitudes, and objectives in war because one started the war, but the other has not yet completed achieved its ending?

[Wagner]

Originally Posted by blktoptrvl

So, in your mind, these two presidents have the same goals, attitudes, and objectives in war because one started the war, but the other has not yet completed achieved its ending?

No, No and No. But quotes are nothing, there were tons of quotes during Bush's tenure about bringing troops home. Point of fact, Obama campaigned on bringing troops home, he hasn't. Simple as that. No need to attempt to 'read' things into it. Obama promised to bring home most of the 140,000+ troops home this summer, leaving only 50K or so left to come home next year. Isn't happening. And he said it would be done by August 2010 (the large troop removal).

Obama 2009
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/28/wa.../28troops.html

Bush 2007
Bush to Bring 5,700 Troops Home by Christmas : NPR

[motordavid]

BigR,
I am also glad to see you cruise back in here, occasionally...

My comment about my continual "question" to my GeezerBuds is somewhat rhetorical, as I know most of them get their entire "news" from ~10 mins of Fox or Rush, et al.
Doesn't mean those sources suck, but a couple snippets of that stuff is not exactly "fair and balanced", or fully informative imo.

Thus, other than the usual right/conservative suspects, they can offer no real good ideas on "who" and "why".

(I always wonder what "conservative values" really means, even after reading some blogs/definitions/position papers on that toss around term.)

Back on point, sort of, Paul would be interesting and about a 180 from standard party machine politics in the US, but I suspect he has less chance than me breaking 75.
I have read considerably on he and his positions and ideas, but he may be too "smart" and tenuous for the typical TeaParty or RepublicanDem stuffed suits.

No polit xpert here, as I find myself ranting at all most all of them, and there are few I would hire to help me pick up yard debris, let alone "guide" me in any serious life task.

Things and, politics, and the Noise in this country is as loud and obnoxious and inane, and non-constructive, as I can recall in my 6+ decades here. I have no answer(s)...
it will probably not get better.

Good to read you again Ryan, and very good to read your back is on the heal.
BR, mD

[Wagner]

Originally Posted by motordavid

BigR,
I am also glad to see you cruise back in here, occasionally...

My comment about my continual "question" to my GeezerBuds is somewhat rhetorical, as I know most of them get their entire "news" from ~10 mins of Fox or Rush, et al.
Doesn't mean those sources suck, but a couple snippets of that stuff is not exactly "fair and balanced", or fully informative imo.

Thus, other than the usual right/conservative suspects, they can offer no real good ideas on "who" and "why".

(I always wonder what "conservative values" really means, even after reading some blogs/definitions/position papers on that toss around term.)

Back on point, sort of, Paul would be interesting and about a 180 from standard party machine politics in the US, but I suspect he has less chance than me breaking 75.
I have read considerably on he and his positions and ideas, but he may be too "smart" and tenuous for the typical TeaParty or RepublicanDem stuffed suits.

No polit xpert here, as I find myself ranting at all most all of them, and there are few I would hire to help me pick up yard debris, let alone "guide" me in any serious life task.

Things and, politics, and the Noise in this country is as loud and obnoxious and inane, and non-constructive, as I can recall in my 6+ decades here. I have no answer(s)...
it will probably not get better.

Good to read you again Ryan, and very good to read your back is on the heal.
BR, mD

Thanks MD

Will be very interesting to see how Obama handles current times, lots of drama in the world right now. My feeling is, like yours, no matter what he does Rep will say he sucks, Dems will say he rocks and the lowly intelligent minority will be left collectively saying WTF

[Quicksilver]

Originally Posted by Wagner

Thanks MD

Will be very interesting to see how Obama handles current times, lots of drama in the world right now. My feeling is, like yours, no matter what he does Rep will say he sucks, Dems will say he rocks and the lowly intelligent minority will be left collectively saying WTF

Politics as usual, and nothing will ever change.

[Wagner]

Originally Posted by Quicksilver

Politics as usual, and nothing will ever change.

Yup. The problem is people, in their dismay, stop questioning and thinking and start simply picking their side. Liberal...or Conservative...and move out from there. For every person thats post cracking a joke on FoxNews, the same could be done for a CNN or HuffingtonPost. You just look dumb when you prance around making proclamations about opinion persons of 'news' channels. People miss the markets that new agencies compete for, some are international in nature, some are focused on America which confuses people more as they attempt to lob all the fruit in one basket. And in classic fashion, right off the real news because there is also opinion.

The truth is it is very hard and tiring to attempt to really follow an issue. The game is setup that way intentionally. The less you know the more moves they can make. Even the Tea Party, which I am a proud member of, has its nut jobs. Pushing Palin as some 'leader' is just dumb. I would far more attribute Tea Party concepts to Ron Paul than any other talking head. I'll keep fighting the logic battle for my side, as fruitless as it may be, but hey..I can so I will

[CarsRmyVICE]

Just curious wagner, as a proud tea party member what exactly do you think this movement stands for? Whenever I see tea party activists on tv I see a bunch of silly morons with signs that don't make much sense at all. Are all tea party members making more than $250,000/year and as a result concerned about tax increases? I don't mean to come off rude just looking for an educated opinion from the other side of the fence. I often group these people into a category I like to call uneducated racists who "want their country back" whatever that means. I certainly wouldn't think you fit that bill, so what is your reasoning?

[Quicksilver]

Originally Posted by motordavid

No polit xpert here, as I find myself ranting at all most all of them, and there are few I would hire to help me pick up yard debris, let alone "guide" me in any serious life task.

Things and, politics, and the Noise in this country is as loud and obnoxious and inane, and non-constructive, as I can recall in my 6+ decades here. I have no answer(s)...it will probably not get better.

Again.