Gerald Celente 10/19/2012

[blktoptrvl]

Originally Posted by tynashracing

I like this link better for the A.J. rant:
» Alex Jones to Piers Morgan: “You Are NOT Going to Take Our Guns” Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

Again, there are no defensible facts spouted in this rant, it is all an emotional diatribe about "you can't have my guns." These are not the arguments of a person seeking a solution to a rampant problem and should be ignored in favor of people who understand and use facts.

If all you want is a gun "cheerleader" who is blind to and does not care about addressing the arguments for gun control - then this is your guy.

[tynashracing]

» Ben Swann Destroys Piers Morgan’s Anti-Gun Argument Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!



And this is the type entertainment that YOU support from Piers?

» Piers Morgan and Guests Discuss Shooting Alex Jones Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!


» Twelve real reasons why Piers Morgan is crazier than Alex Jones Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!


So blktoptrvl, you seem to be arm chairing here...please tell us how to go about defending our "rights" that you have in your signature..."Not your money, your property, your loves, nor even your family... nothing is more precious than your rights. Don't give them away for a bag of magic beans."


I am assuming that you're an American and reside in America, is that correct?

Take up the cause bro if you have better ideas.

[blktoptrvl]

Originally Posted by tynashracing

So blktoptrvl, you seem to be arm chairing here...please tell us how to go about defending our "rights" that you have in your signature..."Not your money, your property, your loves, nor even your family... nothing is more precious than your rights. Don't give them away for a bag of magic beans."


I am assuming that you're an American and reside in America, is that correct?

Take up the cause bro if you have better ideas.

I believe the first thing that should be done is to find a way to disarm all the people we can who are not qualified to own a gun. Second, I would probably make it a crime to leave, lose, loan, sell, or in any way make guns accessible to others who are not qualified.

I would make it an accessory to murder charge if anyone was killed. Third, I would [delete - make the [add - put a] tax on weapons at least equal to the cost of the weapon so that those who want "a cop in every school" can pay for it through their purchases. Fourth, I would probably make self loading illegal and micro print (if possible) the serial number of the gun that the ammunition was purchased for onto the ammo, and then sit back and see if this helps curb the gun violence.

As to how I defend myself, I guess I would have to say, (1) with my brain, (2) if needed, with my fists, (3) if possible, with my feet or gas pedal, (4) if no choice, then with my GLOCK.

See the difference between you and me is that I believe there are alternatives to arming any and everything that moves. For you, this seems to be the first, last, and only solution.

[tynashracing]

Originally Posted by blktoptrvl

I believe the first thing that should be done is to find a way to disarm all the people we can who are not qualified own a gun. Second, I would probably make it a crime to leave, sell, or in any way make guns accessible to others who are not qualified. I would make it an accessory to murder charge if anyone was killed. Third, I would make the tax on weapons at least equal to the cost of the weapon so that those who want "a cop in every school" can pay for it through their purchases. Fourth, I would probably make self loading illegal and micro print (if possible) the serial number of the gun that the ammunition was purchased for onto the ammo, and then sit back and see if this helps curb the gun violence.

As to how I defend myself, I guess I would have to say, (1) with my brain, (2) if needed, with my fists, (3) if possible, with my feet or gas pedal, (4) if no choice, then with my GLOCK.

See the difference between you and me is that I believe there are alternatives to arming any and everything that moves. For you, this seems to be the first, last, and only solution.

Ummm, so how will you deal with gang confiscation? Tax them, create more laws...make them only carry etched weapons or bullets? Unreal.
Yeah, sit back and watch the sheep get sheared. The blood will be on your hands and hands like you that want to penalize law abiding citizens.

Will we also need to "qualify" to be able to use hammers, knives, rocks, clubs, bats, etc?


I'm surprised that there's absolutely NO mention of having a gun free Govt. I mean, if you want to stop innocent killings...shouldn't govt start with themselves?

No, the difference between me and you...I'd like less govt and you want MORE...MUCH MORE. More prisons, more taxes and MORE LAWS. Guess you'll need some Brown Shirts to enforce your plan too, huh!

Yeah, we know how this ends.


So, you never answered my question. Do you live in America and are you a citizen of the USA?

[blktoptrvl]

Originally Posted by tynashracing

Ummm, so how will you deal with gang confiscation? Tax them, create more laws...make them only carry etched weapons or bullets? Unreal.
Yeah, sit back and watch the sheep get sheared. The blood will be on your hands and hands like you that want to penalize law abiding citizens.

Will we also need to "qualify" to be able to use hammers, knives, rocks, clubs, bats, etc?


I'm surprised that there's absolutely NO mention of having a gun free Govt. I mean, if you want to stop innocent killings...shouldn't govt start with themselves?

No, the difference between me and you...I'd like less govt and you want MORE...MUCH MORE. More prisons, more taxes and MORE LAWS. Guess you'll need some Brown Shirts to enforce your plan too, huh!

Yeah, we know how this ends.


So, you never answered my question. Do you live in America and are you a citizen of the USA?

What, you want to see my papers now? No, I don't justify myself to you or anyone else.

But I will say, in keeping to the subject...

What I presented are "off the top of my head" suggestions. They might work, they might need further work, or they might need a third party to modify them and come up with a better angle - including how to deal with gangs. But at least they are ideas. You can dismiss them if you like as unreal, but that just goes to show AGAIN that you have a limited thought on this subject. The only solution you seem to promote is MORE GUNS. I am against that.

Brownshirts? I think I see now why it is that you like this fellow who rants uncontrollably.

[tynashracing]

Originally Posted by blktoptrvl

What, you want to see my papers now? No, I don't justify myself to you or anyone else.

But I will say, in keeping to the subject...

What I presented are "off the top of my head" suggestions. They might work, they might need further work, or they might need a third party to modify them and come up with a better angle - including how to deal with gangs. But at least they are ideas. You can dismiss them if you like as unreal, but that just goes to show AGAIN that you have a limited thought on this subject. The only solution you seem to promote is MORE GUNS. I am against that.

Brownshirts? I think I see now why it is that you like this fellow who rants uncontrollably.

Oh no, I'm not dismissing your ideas as unreal...it just goes to show how much you must love big govt. Let's bring them into every facet of our lives...that should make for a much better world, huh?

You just seem to be a contradiction from what you think off the "top of your head" and your signature. But, I'm the one that's got the problem?! OK, if you say so...

[blktoptrvl]

Originally Posted by tynashracing

Oh no, I'm not dismissing your ideas as unreal...it just goes to show how much you must love big govt. Let's bring them into every facet of our lives...that should make for a much better world, huh?

You just seem to be a contradiction from what you think off the "top of your head" and your signature. But, I'm the one that's got the problem?! OK, if you say so...

Yes, IMO, you make too many assumptions and don't take the time to think about anything or make coherent and apropos points.

What makes you think I am in anyway in favor of big government? Was it because I listed points that I would take to deal with the gun issue? Did you forget that I made those points - not because I believe in big G, but because you ASKED me what my ideas for curbing gun violence were? Don't you understand what ideas "off the top of the head" mean, or have you never been required in your life to THINK about things and make suggestions?

Does expanding one segment of rules mean that we can't contract others? BTW, what is it you want ? Cities with 5 million people in them and no rules? How long do you think that society will last? Or is it just that we need to have only the rules that you favor?

And what about anything I have posted is in contradiction to my sig? To what was I referring when I wrote that sig? What is it's context? What is it's meaning? How does wanting to regulate and tax and keeping weapons out of the hands of nutjobs contradict with my sig? You haven't a clue have you?

Like so many things that you don't know you just fill in the blanks with whatever is floating in your head and start arguing from your own imaginary points, not about anything that was actually said.

It seemed to me that Piers was having a reasonable discussion - as I said - minus the name calling. The other guy just rants without any point other than "I want." "I want." "I want." With no other substance - you do remember that my comment was about the videos and not about the constitution - or are you too deep into your own talking points?

You know when I think about all the people in this world who definitely should not have a gun, both you and this Alex Jones certainly jump to the top of the list now. I believe there should be some standard of ability to reason and debate without straying from facts and reality in order to own a gun. Seems to me you both fail when it come to that test.