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Old 09-17-2020, 03:47 PM
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There was nothing to panic about in February. The Coronavirus was not a problem in US yet. The first recommendation to wear masks by the CDC wasn't until April 3rd. https://www.medpagetoday.com/infecti.../covid19/85800
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...asks-in-public

I agree that Pelosi going to the salon was bad judgment. She should have known no salon services were allowed indoors and not taken the word of the owner.
^Yep. If anyone is to blame for literally causing spread. It's the WHO and the CDC. Which again, I think I said on the first few pages of the covid thread. Something to the effect of history judging those organizations harshly for literally lying to the public.

As for Pelosi, we don't know what happened. Either way Pelosi is an adult and should have the small level of self control and confidence to not get her hair done and live with bad hair. Such a ridiculous case of bad judgement, however small it may be. My 6 year old has better sense.

This is a hilarious account of the "he said, she said" accounts of what went on between the stylist, owner, and Pelosi's team. Like I said, bunch of whiny school children.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...us/5708541002/
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Old 09-17-2020, 04:35 PM
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There was nothing to panic about in February. The Coronavirus was not a problem in US yet.
That would make the Woodward recordings moot. Right?
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That would make the Woodward recordings moot. Right?
I hope that's a sarcastic comment because of 2 things:

1. The virus was already here, it has not caused country wide infection yet because it needs time to spread.

So the fact that it wasn't a threat then did not mean it won't become one.

2. Trump showed in the recording that he knew this virus will cause wide spread infection and that it is much deadlier than a regular flu virus. In fact it has no known cure.

His unwillingless to educate the public about the deadly potential of this virus directly caused 10s of thousands more death than is necessary.

While the virus was always going to kill people, it would have killed much less people if the public were notified by the president of its actual potential to kill early on.

But, like he said, he wanted to "play it down".

So a big percentage of those dead is on him, not on anyone else.

So why would Woodward's recording be moot??
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This is not a good example because no, I do not believe in seat belt laws for people over 18 years old. Nor do I believe in helmet laws for those over 18yo. I wear a seat belt every time I get into a car and would do so regardless of the law. But I should be able to choose to put it on or not after I've taken the time to buckle my kids in.

I've never been for governing stupid. I don't have a need or want to save every life out there through means of legislation. People die, it's a fact of life. I don't want to live in a bubble to protect everyone else. There are too many people on the planet anyway. A superbug (whether manufactured or natural) will come along at some point in the future.



These are different circumstances. But okay, I am FOR federal governing of certain things. I didn't mean for my statement to be a blanket statement against any federal regulation. The spirit of the statement was more against regulations governing private citizens' freedom of choice involving personal well-being. And again, involve one person making the call, the president. All of the things you mention went through committees and agencies to be regulated.



It's not that it's not worth the time. As I've been trying to say, it wouldn't change anything. There is no magic bullet to save all the lives of people who have died.



I 100% acknowledge he publicly pressured governors. If they don't have the balls to do what's right... vote 'em out. Congress controls funding. Trump was spouting crap and people take it as law. Even as an executive order it's one SC judgement away from being toilet paper.

Our city mayor and county judge have been fighting our governor on all the right points. And supporting him when he does the right thing. Our county has 1200 deaths. That's only about a third of the number that die in all traffic accidents in a year for our county.



I'm not sure what statistics you're using for the basis of that statement. Seems all of those states have fared about the same with all 3 doing better in one category or another. Texas being arguably the best as it's active cases are number 8 on the list of states with FL and Cali being 1 & 2 respectively. If memory serves Texas (or maybe just Bexar County?) issued stay at home orders in late March through April? It's all a blur now. But, again, stay at home orders aren't a magic bullet. We were never going to starve covid out of hosts.

Look, I get it. If you want to crucify Trump as the antichrist. That's your business. I'm just saying (and have been) there are better nails to use than his covid response. I think he's an absolute garbage human being, but I don't think many of the Congress critters would fare much better facing Saint Peter at the gates.

And I appreciate your saying my responses have been level headed. Trust me (my wife tells me all the time), I spend entirely too much time formulating them. I've fallen short of that in past, as have all in these threads, but have been trying to be more even keeled as there are truly much more important things to worry about on a day to day basis. At the end of the day we're all just some guy/gal behind a keyboard wasting our time.

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My basis for the statement stems from the early results of the stay at home order in California.

The daily average of infection in California were slowing down in consecutive days as most businesses shut down and people started to stay home for everything except procuring food and emergency supplies.

If memory serves we were one of the few states that actually showed a slow down on infection before the hasty reopening ruined everything.

As a country we made many mistakes dealing with the pandemic.

We were late in containing the virus, late in procuring PPP equipments, had no uniform strategy against a deadly virus, spent way too much and got too little result, and we dragged our feet in doing just about everything meaningful.

Could the number of dead be 100,000 instead of 200,000?

I believe so, if we did the right thing right from the start.

This year should go down in history as a lesson for what NOT to do in the face of a new and unknown disaster.
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What's the matter with Donald Trump.

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I hope that's a sarcastic comment because of 2 things:

1. The virus was already here, it has not caused country wide infection yet because it needs time to spread.

So the fact that it wasn't a threat then did not mean it won't become one.
So, Pelosi should not have been there telling the people, there is nothing to worry about. She should have been telling the people a deadly virus is coming, run for your lives. But, she didn’t!

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2. Trump showed in the recording that he knew this virus will cause wide spread infection and that it is much deadlier than a regular flu virus. In fact it has no known cure.

His unwillingless to educate the public about the deadly potential of this virus directly caused 10s of thousands more death than is necessary.

While the virus was always going to kill people, it would have killed much less people if the public were notified by the president of its actual potential to kill early on.

But, like he said, he wanted to "play it down".

So a big percentage of those dead is on him, not on anyone else.
Trump wasn’t the only one who knew the virus was deadly. I watched my Wife, Father, and Daughter fight for their lives. Do you think I was going to wait on Trump to combat the virus as it ravaged my household? If I knew, governors knew.

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So why would Woodward's recording be moot??
According to bcredliner, and I’ll quote him, “There was nothing to panic about in late February. The Coronavirus was not a problem in US yet.”. You obviously disagree with bc.

I posted a CNN report about the virus being here late December. You said, “Happy is posting conspiracy theories”.

His recordings are moot, because everyone was downplaying the virus.

Maruzo, sarcasm is not my specialty.
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Old 09-17-2020, 08:35 PM
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That would make the Woodward recordings moot. Right?
No, the recordings are not moot. The recordings verify Trump knew the Coronavirus was deadly and choose to downplay it. He is still downplaying the virus. He is still not telling the truth. His excuse was he didn't want to cause panic. It was flat wrong to keep that information from the public. No one here would have panicked. He should have told the truth and championed the issuance of the guidelines and pressured the states to take immediate action and to err on the side of caution. He knew it was not a question if the virus would be a problem in the US it was only when.

This can't be rationalized away. Trump chose to downplay the danger of the virus so the economy and the stock market would not negatively react.

All he had to do is layout the extent and urgency of addressing the problem then and what can happen if we don't all do our part. Here is what your government is doing and a timeline for the implementation of the plan. Here's what we are asking you to do for your country. Just answer the questions of what, when why and how in a plan stating the objectives, strategies and tactics to defeat the virus. Any business person of any consequence should be extremely adept and experienced using the process.

What the Woodward tape exposes is he was and still is OK with betting our lives it would go away then and now that it is under control and we have turned the corner, it's going away. It's not going away.
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So, Pelosi should not have been there telling the people, there is nothing to worry about. She should have been telling the people a deadly virus is coming, run for your lives. But, she didn’t!



Trump wasn’t the only one who knew the virus was deadly. I watched my Wife, Father, and Daughter fight for their lives. Do you think I was going to wait on Trump to combat the virus as it ravaged my household? If I knew, governors knew.



According to bcredliner, and I’ll quote him, “There was nothing to panic about in late February. The Coronavirus was not a problem in US yet.”. You obviously disagree with bc.

I posted a CNN report about the virus being here late December. You said, “Happy is posting conspiracy theories”.

His recordings are moot, because everyone was downplaying the virus.

Maruzo, sarcasm is not my specialty.
I respectfully disagree. I think it is your specialty.
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No, the recordings are not moot. The recordings verify Trump knew the Coronavirus was deadly and choose to downplay it. He is still downplaying the virus. He is still not telling the truth. His excuse was he didn't want to cause panic. It was flat wrong to keep that information from the public. No one here would have panicked. He should have told the truth and championed the issuance of the guidelines and pressured the states to take immediate action and to err on the side of caution. He knew it was not a question if the virus would be a problem in the US it was only when.

This can't be rationalized away. Trump chose to downplay the danger of the virus so the economy and the stock market would not negatively react.

All he had to do is layout the extent and urgency of addressing the problem then and what can happen if we don't all do our part. Here is what your government is doing and a timeline for the implementation of the plan. Here's what we are asking you to do for your country. Just answer the questions of what, when why and how in a plan stating the objectives, strategies and tactics to defeat the virus. Any business person of any consequence should be extremely adept and experienced using the process.

What the Woodward tape exposes is he was and still is OK with betting our lives it would go away then and now that it is under control and we have turned the corner, it's going away. It's not going away.
I agree.

But I also think there's going to be people who continue to interpret these facts differently than you and I.

When bias sets in, no amount of truth is going to change their mind.
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When bias sets in, no amount of truth is going to change their mind.
Truer words have never been spoken. Though, you guys are deciding the outcome of the game before it's been completed and all the stats are in. I called the CDC and WHO stance correctly back in February. Was that a conspiracy at the time? I'll wait until this game has been played before ruling anything out. I'm hoping the current consensus is correct and this was not man-made and either accidentally or intentionally released from a lab as that has much larger implications and possible repercussions. But it's just a consensus at the moment and has certainly not been proven.

Well, I'll catch up with you guys after the sh*t show that is going to be the election. I've said enough and read enough for a bit.

Good luck to you for your chosen candidates. Though, the outcome doesn't really matter. The wealth gap will continue to grow, as will the national debt. But if the Democrats don't fumble the ball I think they're going to walk away with more than just the presidency. I vacillate between Biden and third party... we'll see how I feel in the booth. They're all crooks.
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Truer words have never been spoken. Though, you guys are deciding the outcome of the game before it's been completed and all the stats are in. I called the CDC and WHO stance correctly back in February. Was that a conspiracy at the time? I'll wait until this game has been played before ruling anything out. I'm hoping the current consensus is correct and this was not man-made and either accidentally or intentionally released from a lab as that has much larger implications and possible repercussions. But it's just a consensus at the moment and has certainly not been proven.

Well, I'll catch up with you guys after the sh*t show that is going to be the election. I've said enough and read enough for a bit.

Good luck to you for your chosen candidates. Though, the outcome doesn't really matter. The wealth gap will continue to grow, as will the national debt. But if the Democrats don't fumble the ball I think they're going to walk away with more than just the presidency. I vacillate between Biden and third party... we'll see how I feel in the booth. They're all crooks.
Have faith, Crystal. The inner characters of these candidates will shine through eventually, for better or worse.

I like to think it'll be for the better.

Like you said before, the election isn't just about the presidency, there's the local elections and the state level as well. They are all important in their own way.

Although I have to say I'm vastly disappointed at what came out from the orange bang these last few years.
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