What's the matter with Donald Trump.

[bcredliner]

Originally Posted by Happy

That would make the Woodward recordings moot. Right?

No, the recordings are not moot. The recordings verify Trump knew the Coronavirus was deadly and choose to downplay it. He is still downplaying the virus. He is still not telling the truth. His excuse was he didn't want to cause panic. It was flat wrong to keep that information from the public. No one here would have panicked. He should have told the truth and championed the issuance of the guidelines and pressured the states to take immediate action and to err on the side of caution. He knew it was not a question if the virus would be a problem in the US it was only when.

This can't be rationalized away. Trump chose to downplay the danger of the virus so the economy and the stock market would not negatively react.

All he had to do is layout the extent and urgency of addressing the problem then and what can happen if we don't all do our part. Here is what your government is doing and a timeline for the implementation of the plan. Here's what we are asking you to do for your country. Just answer the questions of what, when why and how in a plan stating the objectives, strategies and tactics to defeat the virus. Any business person of any consequence should be extremely adept and experienced using the process.

What the Woodward tape exposes is he was and still is OK with betting our lives it would go away then and now that it is under control and we have turned the corner, it's going away. It's not going away.

[Maruzo]

Originally Posted by bcredliner

No, the recordings are not moot. The recordings verify Trump knew the Coronavirus was deadly and choose to downplay it. He is still downplaying the virus. He is still not telling the truth. His excuse was he didn't want to cause panic. It was flat wrong to keep that information from the public. No one here would have panicked. He should have told the truth and championed the issuance of the guidelines and pressured the states to take immediate action and to err on the side of caution. He knew it was not a question if the virus would be a problem in the US it was only when.

This can't be rationalized away. Trump chose to downplay the danger of the virus so the economy and the stock market would not negatively react.

All he had to do is layout the extent and urgency of addressing the problem then and what can happen if we don't all do our part. Here is what your government is doing and a timeline for the implementation of the plan. Here's what we are asking you to do for your country. Just answer the questions of what, when why and how in a plan stating the objectives, strategies and tactics to defeat the virus. Any business person of any consequence should be extremely adept and experienced using the process.

What the Woodward tape exposes is he was and still is OK with betting our lives it would go away then and now that it is under control and we have turned the corner, it's going away. It's not going away.

I agree.

But I also think there's going to be people who continue to interpret these facts differently than you and I.

When bias sets in, no amount of truth is going to change their mind.

[crystalworks]

Originally Posted by Maruzo

When bias sets in, no amount of truth is going to change their mind.

Truer words have never been spoken. Though, you guys are deciding the outcome of the game before it's been completed and all the stats are in. I called the CDC and WHO stance correctly back in February. Was that a conspiracy at the time? I'll wait until this game has been played before ruling anything out. I'm hoping the current consensus is correct and this was not man-made and either accidentally or intentionally released from a lab as that has much larger implications and possible repercussions. But it's just a consensus at the moment and has certainly not been proven.

Well, I'll catch up with you guys after the sh*t show that is going to be the election. I've said enough and read enough for a bit.

Good luck to you for your chosen candidates. Though, the outcome doesn't really matter. The wealth gap will continue to grow, as will the national debt. But if the Democrats don't fumble the ball I think they're going to walk away with more than just the presidency. I vacillate between Biden and third party... we'll see how I feel in the booth. They're all crooks.

[Maruzo]

Originally Posted by crystalworks

Truer words have never been spoken. Though, you guys are deciding the outcome of the game before it's been completed and all the stats are in. I called the CDC and WHO stance correctly back in February. Was that a conspiracy at the time? I'll wait until this game has been played before ruling anything out. I'm hoping the current consensus is correct and this was not man-made and either accidentally or intentionally released from a lab as that has much larger implications and possible repercussions. But it's just a consensus at the moment and has certainly not been proven.

Well, I'll catch up with you guys after the sh*t show that is going to be the election. I've said enough and read enough for a bit.

Good luck to you for your chosen candidates. Though, the outcome doesn't really matter. The wealth gap will continue to grow, as will the national debt. But if the Democrats don't fumble the ball I think they're going to walk away with more than just the presidency. I vacillate between Biden and third party... we'll see how I feel in the booth. They're all crooks.

Have faith, Crystal. The inner characters of these candidates will shine through eventually, for better or worse.

I like to think it'll be for the better.

Like you said before, the election isn't just about the presidency, there's the local elections and the state level as well. They are all important in their own way.

Although I have to say I'm vastly disappointed at what came out from the orange bang these last few years.

[AVB-AMG]

Originally Posted by bcredliner

No, the recordings are not moot. The recordings verify Trump knew the Coronavirus was deadly and choose to downplay it. He is still downplaying the virus. He is still not telling the truth. His excuse was he didn't want to cause panic. It was flat wrong to keep that information from the public. No one here would have panicked. He should have told the truth and championed the issuance of the guidelines and pressured the states to take immediate action and to err on the side of caution. He knew it was not a question if the virus would be a problem in the US it was only when.

This can't be rationalized away. Trump chose to downplay the danger of the virus so the economy and the stock market would not negatively react.

All he had to do is layout the extent and urgency of addressing the problem then and what can happen if we don't all do our part. Here is what your government is doing and a timeline for the implementation of the plan. Here's what we are asking you to do for your country. Just answer the questions of what, when why and how in a plan stating the objectives, strategies and tactics to defeat the virus. Any business person of any consequence should be extremely adept and experienced using the process.

What the Woodward tape exposes is he was and still is OK with betting our lives it would go away then and now that it is under control and we have turned the corner, it's going away. It's not going away.

bcredliner:

I concur with your statements above. Trump's mismanagement and lack of leadership in dealing with the COVID-19 virus pandemic was a disgrace that has contributed to the staggering loss of over 270,000 people in our country.

I am one of the many Americans who were amazed that Trump was able to win the election back in 2016. But after much thought and consideration, I have come to realize that back then Donald Trump recognized and harnessed the anger over racial displacement disguised as economic anxiety, of many Americans, along with their resentment of being ignored by traditional Republicans and Democrats, and then exasperated by their viscous hatred for HRC, to win the presidency.

Aside from all of Trump's many personal faults, I believe that Trump would have been re-elected if he had done just one thing right:
Succinctly: wear a face mask.....

Joking aside, I agree that if back in January, when he learned of the true potential looming disaster of the COVID-19 virus pandemic, if he had immediately responded with a serious, sensible, coordinated national effort to combat the virus spread, we would probably not have lost as many fellow citizens as we have and the virus pandemic would not have cratered his re-election bid. But his denial of its severity and subsequent mediocre and hands-off attitude, cost him the votes of many Americans, regardless of their political affiliation. Ultimately, he will have plenty of free time to ruminate on that in the coming weeks and months…

AVB-AMG

[Maruzo]

Originally Posted by AVB-AMG

bcredliner:

I concur with your statements above. Trump's mismanagement and lack of leadership in dealing with the COVID-19 virus pandemic was a disgrace that has contributed to the staggering loss of over 270,000 people in our country.

I am one of the many Americans who were amazed that Trump was able to win the election back in 2016. But after much thought and consideration, I have come to realize that back then Donald Trump recognized and harnessed the anger over racial displacement disguised as economic anxiety, of many Americans, along with their resentment of being ignored by traditional Republicans and Democrats, and then exasperated by their viscous hatred for HRC, to win the presidency.

Aside from all of Trump's many personal faults, I believe that Trump would have been re-elected if he had done just one thing right:
Succinctly: wear a face mask.....

Joking aside, I agree that if back in January, when he learned of the true potential looming disaster of the COVID-19 virus pandemic, if he had immediately responded with a serious, sensible, coordinated national effort to combat the virus spread, we would probably not have lost as many fellow citizens as we have and the virus pandemic would not have cratered his re-election bid. But his denial of its severity and subsequent mediocre and hands-off attitude, cost him the votes of many Americans, regardless of their political affiliation. Ultimately, he will have plenty of free time to ruminate on that in the coming weeks and months…

AVB-AMG

Well said. His own ineptitude caused the loss of his greatest potential triumph and chance for another term. But people don’t change just because it’s in their best interest. When faced with real threat, his true color showed and he ran away from responsibility and quickly washes his hands off of this crisis.

He was a commander of no show during most of this year when it came to helping steer the national conversation on proper protection strategies to fight the outbreak.

Time and again he upstages the scientists and pushed for unheard of cures that turned out to Be completely useless.

He can’t even bring himself to properly convince the public to use a face mask, much less social distance or avoid large gatherings.

Faced with no leadership from the very top, our country has now become the perfect breeding ground for the covid virus. We are on track to have the outbreak infect over the entire population in the very nearly future.

Will Biden help our current situation? I’m hoping he will. His priority is very different from Trump’s own. I think he will help tremendously.

As for the bogus election fraud narrative Trumps been pushing 24/7. Even a life long Republican who voted for him twice came out and said “ this has to stop”. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...=1000501591747

[crystalworks]

Originally Posted by Maruzo

We are on track to have the outbreak infect over the entire population in the very nearly future.

What do you mean by this?

[Maruzo]

Originally Posted by crystalworks

What do you mean by this?

Remember the herd immunity you mentioned a couple of months ago?

I said the goal should never be to intentionally allow it to happen, since doing that is basically giving up the fight against this virus outbreak and just let the virus weed out the weak and feeble.

While nature does that all the time, we shouldn't allow that to happen if we have the right tools and the right strategy to avoid LETTING hundreds of thousands die unnecessarily.

I think that's what Trump wanted to do from the start. He was basically giving us up to the mercy of the virus right from the get go.

But that's just my opinion.

The fact is, we've failed so miserably in trying to contain this pandemic that the tide of the infection is probably at a stage where the rate of infection is far outpacing the effort of containment.

Dr. Fauci and many others has been warning us we'll see a massive increase in infection this winter season. He's right on the money.

The vaccine wont be ready for the general public for at least a few months.

I think that's why Biden is asking the American public to mask up for 100 days. Give the distribution channel time to set up and distribute the vaccine in time to put this virus out of commission.

[crystalworks]

Originally Posted by Maruzo

We are on track to have the outbreak infect over the entire population in the very nearly future.

I just wanted to know what you meant by the above. It didn't compute. We are sitting at almost 15.5 million which is nowhere near the entire population. I just wanted to clarify your statement.

Originally Posted by Maruzo

I think that's why Biden is asking the American public to mask up for 100 days. Give the distribution channel time to set up and distribute the vaccine in time to put this virus out of commission.

Definitely. Masks should be worn by all in public spaces. People not doing so are being obstinate for the sake of being so. I said that since day 1, when the CDC and WHO were advising against it.

Regarding herd immunity. I was taking the position (or trying to) there was likely not going to be anything we could do (besides masking up) until a vaccine was available. That's all. Regardless of who is in power the American public is not going to comply with a long term lockdown. The people are too divided and most lack the financial ability to stop working, as Americans don't save very well given our debt and consumer driven economy. If we reached herd immunity first, so be it, but we are obviously far from that with the "low" number of cases relative to population (~4.7% of the populous).

I guess I'm just more pragmatic in thinking that, realistically, we were not going to be able to save everyone and/or stamp out this virus in quick fashion. Many who passed had underlying conditions and were vulnerable. I obviously feel for all of those who have lost someone. I have multiple family members who were infected and we were all very fortunate that their effects were minor.

Yes, I have always agreed Trump is an idiot. But placing "hundreds of thousands" of dead at his feet is probably not only incorrect, but closed-minded. I think I am just tired of the tribal politics being spewed from both sides of the political aisle. It's a disservice to the country every bit as much as Trump's challenging the election results is.

[Maruzo]

He’s more than just an idiot. To simply state he’s an idiot is to dismiss or discount his negative impact on our country.

The buck does stop with him, and his negative impact on the covid effort accounts for a large portion of the blame on the 284,000 dead and counting.

We were never going to come out of this without significant casualties, but we could have saved a lot more people if he had done what he needed to do instead of taking the cowards way out.

That part of blame will remain his long after this pandemic is over.

I don’t know why you keep thinking this is tribal politics. I simply pointed out his fucks ups.