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The ironic thing?

WE can watch the endless debate on CNN.
Then we can watch the vote. Then people
will argue more and more and nothing will change.

Politicians will lie, people will believe them,
and people who think they have the facts
both for and against the bill have no clue.

An amusing laughable show for sure.

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Originally Posted by Thunder22 (Post 724865)

Oh, and btw, the bill covers the children of illegal aliens too. All children should have healthcare, but how can the US afford to care for all of the children of the world? kid is sick? send him/her to the US.

I don't understand the whole immigration thing. All of my great grandparents came through Ellis Island and it was very important to them that they spoke English as a first language and that they adapted to their new country, not the other way around. It seems to be completely backwards in today's world. Old school immigrants were happy for the opportunity, new school immigrants think they deserve it. If you are in this country illegally, you have no rights, period, imo and deserve to be deported regardless if you have kids here or not.

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Originally Posted by Quicksilver (Post 724867)

Actually, I do have a clue and the facts as I posted them in this thread, and if you don't believe me , you can look them up yourself.

And yes, I am watching the vote right now on CSPAN, and yes, I did watch a majority of the debate on CSPAN this evening, maybe you should have too, it was very educational.

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Originally Posted by FSETH (Post 724871)

Unfortunately, the Democrats don't agree with you, they see illegals as another group of dependants, and as soon as the dems can get them legalized, they see them as another group of Democrat voters.

That's it. It passed. 219 -212. The country gets screwed over 7 votes.

The Democrats own this fiasco lock stock and barrel.

November 2010 and 2012 can't come fast enough.

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." -- Thomas Jefferson

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Originally Posted by Thunder22 (Post 724883)

I watched it on CNN and yes it was educational.

Sorry about the confusion. Not having a clue wasn't specifically meant for you. It was meant for everyone who thinks they have educated them selves about a reality that will change in very short order.

Tax rates hike round the corner.:(

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Originally Posted by Thunder22 (Post 724886)

That's it. It passed. 219 -212. The country gets screwed over 7 votes.

The Democrats own this fiasco lock stock and barrel.

November 2010 and 2012 can't come fast enough.

The Republican Party led by McConnell, Boehner and Cantor (only amplified by their Tea Party constituents) had resorted to scare tactics, lies, distortions, misrepresentations and threats to defeat the Healthcare Bill. They claim that polls indicate the majority of Americans are opposed to this bill. To use an analogy, it is like Glenn Beck telling a person "if you swallow that pill given by a Democrat doctor, you will die within two weeks." Now, do you want to swallow that pill? The obvious answer would be "no." The truth: the pill was simply a pill to boost the person's energy. They kept repeating, the Americans do not like this bill. How many, including members of congress have read the bill which would take over 40 hours to read?
The GOP claims that there was a lot of arm twisting and bribing to get the majority of Dems to vote yes. Now, do you honestly think the Boehner and Cantor told the Republicans to vote their conscious? Bull! The poor Louisiana congressman who was initially planning to vote "yes" changed his vote to a "no." When interviewed on CNN, it was pathetic to watch. He keep citing objections which were not even in the bill. He was totally lost (like the answers given by the Tea Party interviewees in the aforementioned video). No pressure?
The fact that 34 Dems did not vote for this bill was a positive. It indicated that there were arguments and discussions and they did not feel comfortable voting "yes." On the other hand, no Republican voted "yes" which would indicate none have a brain of their own, or the party threatened to put up a strong candidate to oppose them in November.
Several Republicans keep saying "we will be funding abortions." That is absolutely not true and they either had to know it or thought they could fool the audience. Again, pathetic....
The truth is, we should vote the Republicans out of office for not caring about the health and welfare of Americans. They had a chance for 8 years to do something and they did nothing. Tens of thousands of Americans will benefit by this bill and the insurance companies will no longer be able to screw their participants.

Hey Chili...Put down the Cool Aid for a moment. Do you actually believe your views are that of Mainstream America? Truth is you are part of that FAR Left fringe on the point of lunacy.

The scary part is I bet you would have people like Glenn Beck arrested for his point of view. While you feel he is dangerous I think you're amusing.