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Awntchi 04-14-2016 11:54 AM

William, you are a star! Thank you so much for this!

I agree with you on the washer...even the prints on it don't go with the assembly.
The diameters are roughly the same here (quick look with the ruler). Seeing now how it lines up in there, I can understand the logic. It allows oil to pass through but not back...just like the awesome members on this forum guessed. Now, considering that oil still goes back through another valve I see no interruption in the flow nor any "starvation" of oil when engine is off. I'm I correct in saying that? Nevertheless, the car seems to run just as good without it but I'll make sure to reinstall it when the day comes...finalising on the solution :)

Cheers buddy


BMW X5 4.8iS 2005

williamx5 04-14-2016 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Awntchi (Post 1075482)
William, you are a star! Thank you so much for this!

I agree with you on the washer...even the prints on it don't go with the assembly.
The diameters are roughly the same here (quick look with the ruler). Seeing now how it lines up in there, I can understand the logic. It allows oil to pass through but not back...just like the awesome members on this forum guessed. Now, considering that oil still goes back through another valve I see no interruption in the flow nor any "starvation" of oil when engine is off. I'm I correct in saying that? Nevertheless, the car seems to run just as good without it but I'll make sure to reinstall it when the day comes...finalising on the solution :)

Cheers buddy


BMW X5 4.8iS 2005

Absolutely!!! Glad I could help... I can't really see in the pictures if the plastic three-legged plug has a hole in the center... If not, I can see it being a flow back valve... But not sure why it would only isolate half of the pump... And the bigger question is why they keep coming out... Yours is out... Mine is missing... Is it important enough to get another pump for my X5 since the parts aren't avail by themselves?? This is a fairly labor intensive job to get the pump out of an X5...

Thoughts anyone?!

Cheers for now!!! Got an email today that some of my new parts are in the mail... Probably get the box by this weekend or early next week... Until then......

williamx5 04-14-2016 04:31 PM

Good day all!

So, I had to get the cap off in order to see the valves inside... I'm not entirely positive if this is a pressure loop thing or a dedicated oil supply to the oil squirters if the pressure is high enough... I'll explain in a few... I don't have a 16mm allen bit socket, so I had to find something that fit... Oddly, I did... This is what I found that worked... It is an alt belt tensioner arm for my 2001 540i... I got it with the block I pulled from the pull-it-yard... It worked great!! Lots of light taps...

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j4...psklbfkpbm.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j4...psjoftepgv.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j4...psb6mryckx.jpg

Here are the valves...

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j4...psm7azzuaj.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j4...ps6q2u0xqv.jpg

And this is the only thing I can see as to why this is even here...

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j4...pssoretzj1.jpg

This goes to the small tube and bypasses the filter...

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j4...psd0yt9c3c.jpg

Filter side... flow-in the center, flow-out on the lower left of the picture...

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j4...psbopeh6i6.jpg

Out...

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j4...psk89xwb5p.jpg

So, there is the break-down of the oil pump...

Cheers for now... UPS should have my stuff here by this weekend... It will have to wait till Monday...

Awntchi 04-15-2016 04:11 AM

Hello, to be honest I wouldn't get a new pump just for that piece....if it was that important then surely they would have made it more secure to start with. Just like the bigger valve you just opened. Other members on here and other forums have driven their cars for many K miles without it and had no issues whatsoever. I can just imagine how many more owners have had that valve fall out without their knowledge and will never know until they pull the pump...yet their car is running fine.

I'm putting mine back only to see how it sits but I won't leave it there if I feel it will pop out again...and to basically finalize on this issue (other owners will need to know).

Your input and dissection of the pump has been priceless, hopefully others will be able to use it and maybe add more valuable info in the future.

williamx5 04-19-2016 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Awntchi (Post 1075550)
Hello, to be honest I wouldn't get a new pump just for that piece....if it was that important then surely they would have made it more secure to start with. Just like the bigger valve you just opened. Other members on here and other forums have driven their cars for many K miles without it and had no issues whatsoever. I can just imagine how many more owners have had that valve fall out without their knowledge and will never know until they pull the pump...yet their car is running fine.

I'm putting mine back only to see how it sits but I won't leave it there if I feel it will pop out again...and to basically finalize on this issue (other owners will need to know).

Your input and dissection of the pump has been priceless, hopefully others will be able to use it and maybe add more valuable info in the future.


Good day!!

Thanks so much!! I am glad I had the pump still out and avail to tear apart... Fun stuff for me so bring it on!!

Cheers!!!

williamx5 04-19-2016 04:02 PM

Good day all!!

It is indeed a nice day out!! I have been working for the past few days and I'm getting ready for my new job so things have been hectic... I got the box of parts yesterday, but everything is not totally clean yet so I'm still not at the assembly stage... I am having trouble getting the carbon build-up off the valves... But it is just slow going...

Here is the box I got yesterday... I didn't even know they delivered it until today... I had to run an errand yesterday and must have been when it was dropped off... Anyway...

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/...pszuk5gbk5.jpg

The box doesn't actually contain floor mats...

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/...psqxmh4ozz.jpg

These are the rod end... I am missing the cap end... Not sure of the difference, but they have different part numbers for the same size (STD)(+.25) and so on for the top and bottom shell... STD for rod is blue.. STD for cap is red...

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/...psc1d3128s.jpg

And, hard to see, but the valve stem seals, O-rings, and various other parts are in the kit... I have five exhaust manifold gaskets... Hmmm... Error or to cover other motors...

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/...psi6wg2qrs.jpg

I have a very long week ahead... I apologize for the lack of progress on this project for the up-coming weeks... I'm in job transition, so it'll be about 20 days straight between both jobs...

Okay, until I have something new...

Enjoy all!!!

williamx5 04-21-2016 09:15 PM

Good day all!!

This is what I got done yesterday... Too busy to post yesterday...

So, I am missing the cap side rod bearing, but they are on the way... So, no piston install yet. I got the valves and ports in the head cleaned and pretty. The exhaust valves took forever!! The intake valves came out of the cleaner looking brand new... So, lets get to it!!

Clean and ready to go! All exhaust valves in place...

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/...psupjypwb4.jpg

To install the new valve stem seals, I found a socket that would fit over the seal, but still clear the valve... Spark plug socket worked out here...

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/...ps20fm9mef.jpg

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/...psi7ghz7gp.jpg

Then this...

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/...ps1wewtzoi.jpg

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/...psbf3gxx0x.jpg

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/...ps21nc824y.jpg

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/...pst3uypihi.jpg

Ta-da!

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/...psgocdajqf.jpg

They actually gave me eight of these to do the whole side at once...

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/...psuyp1abp4.jpg

After all seals are in place, next comes the springs... Remember, the taller ones are exhaust... Which kinda doesn't make sense because the short springs go to the valves that have variable lift... Hmmm...

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/...psklqeh1jo.jpg

Then comes the lifters and rockers... These are from the same location they came from at tear down...

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/...ps0rsnwkj1.jpg

All done!! Don't forget to torque!! 14Nm... If you do the math, it comes out to 123.914 in/lbs... You'll see in the last picture that I put the cams in a position that they will put very little pressure on any valves! I will correct this, obviously before it gets timed... This way no valves will be damaged just cause they are below the plane of the head, even sitting on the cardboard... Torque in the correct pattern!! I put the oil squirter line in place just to keep track of it and prevent it from getting damaged!! That little bugger Murphy has gotten me a couple times already!!

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/...pskjrheppz.jpg

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/...psvjfcvsxy.jpg

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/...psvh5f5eiz.jpg

Note the timing slots that DON'T look right... well... It'll be okay like this for now... I did use assembly lube and still coated everything with Mobil 1 gear oil... I'm also going to attempt...... attempt to prime the oil system before I turn the key... Still working on that...

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/...psvbebxqik.jpg

That is it for now!! Tomorrow begins the long haul of non-stop work for 15 days... Such is life!!

Cheers for now!!

williamx5 04-23-2016 09:12 PM

Good day all!!!

Well, I am batting a thousand with my replacement pistons... The connecting rods from the seller had caps that didn't match the rods... Well, what do ya know... I checked the three caps and the three rods, and low and behold I had one that matched up... So, we'll see what the seller says...

The pistons have come out really nice... They almost look new again...

More to come in small spurts until my next day off...

Cheers all!!!

williamx5 05-08-2016 10:57 AM

Good day all!!

Well, it has been some time since I have had a chance to get stuff done to the X5... I got a nice Ohaus triple beam scale and weighed up all the rods and pistons... One of the new pistons was much heavier than the others and I was debating on using one of the less damaged original pistons... But, on the flip side, the lightest rod helped bring things back into acceptable... The thing I forgot to include on the table was the high to low deviation for the rods and pistons... Rod high to low was 4.2g... Piston high to low was 5.35g... I thought about shaving some weight off the piston, but I don't know the best spot to not compromise the piston integrity... So, my piston/rod high to low is going to stay at a 2.1g... The tolerance sheet I have says the rod deviation is +/- 4g... I think I am close enough... Now everything gets matched up and installed... I have already put the top valley pan on and the rear water cover on... No gaskets, just RTV allowed to dry with no coolant... We'll see if it holds better than the original gasket...

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/...psscbdwbev.png

That's it for now... Thoughts on any of this so far?

Cheers!!

admranger 05-10-2016 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by williamx5 (Post 1077439)
That's it for now... Thoughts on any of this so far?

Cheers!!

My thoughts are you are the man! I'm so impressed with your willingness to tear things apart and figure out everything about them.

Good work on balancing the piston/rod combos. Nice work. I probably would have filed off some metal from the piston, screwing something else up. Sometimes the most simple solution is also the most elegant (what you did, not what I would have done!). :thumbup:


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