Most drivers in the vid were sliding hown the hill brakes LOCKED. ABS was fooled into thinking the vehicles were stationary yet all 4 wheels were sliding.

Drivers need to learn that in order to re-activate ABS function, the brakes MUST be released for an instant so the ABS system gets a signal from pulse sensor/starwheel and "sees" wheel rotation.

I suspect we are on the same page. I am left handed so I am not in my right mind which makes it harder to be clear.

Yes, turning in the direction of the skid to both front and rear wheel drive.

I agree that front wheel drive can help pull a vehicle out of a skid. What that means is the steering wheel can be turned toward the direction you want to end up going sooner than rear wheel drive.

The precision in a drift is controlling the drift with varying amounts of primarily turning in the direction of the skid and using the go pedal to keep the rear wheels spinning and the rear end of the vehicle hanging out enough to maintain the drift.

As far as I can see I can get more out of analyzing dog crap that has been there so long it is white than I can either of the videos.

Obviously, the Portland video has 16,000 views and has been out there 7 years because it is is one of those---come here you have to see this, it unbelievable. It's Portland, the average snow fall is about 6 inches. No one has enough winter drive time to be good at it. It was a steep hill that even people could not stand up on. It was so slick and so long there were no curling brooms needed ahead to assure a landslide of even cars going slowly. A clear indication they had no idea what they were doing is that they started down the hill in the first place, not noticing cars everywhere, people in the street and 4 way flashers going. It's a small street lined with houses, most of them had to know the hill was there and if they had any sense they would have gone another route, or pray tell, stopped before the hill. There had to be someone they drove around to get on the giant slalom mountain, I can hear them-s$$t, get outa my way you pus#$ies, learn to drive or get the hell off the road.

Any driver that got through the Wisconsin pileup without a scratch has won the office pool so many times they're not invited to participate anymore. The key to getting through the obstacle course was being at the appropriate speed though in this case you became another target. Obviously, from the number of vehicles that seemed to be going so fast, the pace of the majority of the traffic had been much fasteer for some time. The visibility must have been restricted by blowing snow or by a hill. Somebody on the afterburner could have started the junkyard but my money is on somebody that is hunched over the wheel, their head can't be seen over the headrest, their knuckles are white, they are frozen in place, they don't appear to be conscious, they are wearing those wrap around dark plastic sunglasses, they are going 30 in the left lane with their right blinker on and they don't seem to hear you honking or flashing your lights or yelling, get the f%$k out of the way before you cause an accident.

In either case, if anyone can tell what tires are on any vehicle you can see an Eagle before it sees you.

Here's a vid showing the jackasses we get to deal with in TX, go to 5:55, shows ONE intersection with light traffic and traffic control light in Plano, TX (right near bcredliner). Clear weather, dry road, yet DOZENS of wrecks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7OhIZnjAVo

If you drive a nice vehicle in TX you have operate it like every other driver thinks it's the end of days!