Thanks for the details Jeff.

I only mentioned that because someone was talking about losing OBC functions but I was saying for the NAV cars the actual 16:9 monitor is just a monitor and doesn't have the OBC functions on it, as opposed to non-NAV cars which have an MID (and built in OBC).

The Dynavin comes with a GPS antenna so the navigation works great on NAV and non-NAV cars.

Olek subbed for your progress on install.

Thanks. Got it playing on one speaker and partially working. I'll keep on when I get home and Iron it all out.

make sure its plugged in all the way, there is a lever/cam setup on the plug that pulls the plug together as you rotate it......goes back together the same way as you took it apart.

Will do. I'm taking short breaks from working and screwing around with it little by little. Any idea why it wouldn't recognize the nav antenna being connected? Thanks again for the help Jeff.

Edit: speakers all working - connector wasn't pushed in all the way. I need to finish wiring up everything else before I ask anymore stupid ass questions.

get the antenna out from under the windshield, you probably have the metallic coated heat rejecting windshield...."comfort windscreen".....blocks gps signals.

Are you saying NAV cars will not loose OBC functions at all? What about resetting them, etc? Those are done in the monitor, yes?

First of all I'm theorizing, I don't have a NAV equipped X5.

Secondly the monitor works with the OBC, Nav Computer etc.

If you unplug the monitor you are losing the interface for the OBC (similar to the MID being disconnected), again, maybe the functions can be accessed through the stalk as Doru mentioned above in both cases.


Either way you aren't losing much and gaining so much more to get the Dynavin N6 is the point I am trying to make.

Looks like I've got everything working. I, wisely (sarcasm), did all of this without instructions so most of my dealings with Jeff today were him politely walking me through steps which were clear cut in the instructions. Regardless of all that - I have the reverse camera and a few minor things to button up but it is all working.

I'll probably make my own thread later this week once everything is fastened and in place.

Jeff, I lucked out, my GPS antenna reads fine after installing the SD card correctly. I'll include some pictures of where I put it when I make my thread.

That is indeed very true.

I'm yet to finish installing mine on my X5 with NAV. I got the cloth cable tape from BMW and that makes cabling of the fakra extension looking very professional- can't distinguish from OEM cabling. Top cable is mine bottom is factory wiring in the pics.

I need to buy some of that tape as it's the only thing left that I don't do that would make the install basically invisible.

Do you recall how much they were per roll?

I have factory NAV and DSP. I removed the CD changer and NAV unit at the back of the car. So now where is one supposed to connect the fakra cable in the back and the front of the car?:confused: There's also the long antenna cable. I ran it from the front (female side) to the back of the car (male end). Where is it supposed to be connected? Can't find any place where these two cables go in the rear of the car. Please help, I'm stuck!

The radio module is under the floor in the back, under the spare, next to the battery, under a plastic cover. Note the battery cable and that it goes up the left side on most X5s.....DO NOT run the extension cable on the same side as the battery cable or you are asking for noise issues.

Thanks for your quick response, Jeff:thumbup:. I ran the antenna, fakra and camera cables along the passenger side and it's side by side with another factory cable harness. The (+) battery cable runs along the driver side.

Where do I connect the fakra cable in the front? There's the dynavin harness which I connected to the N6 but where does the fakra go, in the front and the back? In the back does it go in the radio also?

Holy of holies, I hope I didn't run the fakra cable backwards!:rolleyes: Which end goes to the back?


Sorry things are not quite obvious to me.

Yeah, you probably ran it backwards???...it should be pretty obvious just by looking at the radio plug in the car and the plug in the Dynavin.....one end plugs into the Dynavin at the dash end, and the adapter harness plugs in at the trunk end, and the extension into that.

A good lesson to people reading this.... Lay everything out on a table and plug it all in so you see how it all works BEFORE you get in the car and get yourself confused, frustrated, and bloodied.

Phew, I had ran it correctly. Didn't know the radio location all these years I've had the car. It's now all pretty obvious after seeing the radio- hooked up the antenna extension to the old factory antenna, N6 harness to the radio harness and fakra cable to the n6 harness. The other end of the fakra cable is hooked up to the N6. I then removed the radio from the trunk as there was nothing else connected to it.

Dynavin as one unit replaced the factory radio, NAV unit, Display screen and CD changer; awesome!

Hey, noticed that the N6 harness are not labeled correctly- the one that fits on my radio harness is not labled E53.

Jeff, thanks again for the great customer support!

Done with initial installation and it sounds and looks great! Light years ahead of the factory system it replaced. What's the trick to making it sit flash? I'm yet to install backup camera, enable buttons illumination, update the software, etc.

How did you get the GPS working? I didn't get GPS sd card and thought it was preinstalled in the systems hard drive.

Are you sure its seated correctly/bracket trimmed correctly?

I see a gap at bottom, haven't heard an issue about it sitting flush from anyone yet

I didn't take pictures of the process but I removed the driverside A pillar, ran the wire up to the rear view mirror, trimmed the mirror housing to fit the extra wire, and mounted it on the back of the rearview with velcro. I got nervous when Jeff said it might need to be mounted outside but as soon as I installed the SD card it booted right up.

Without the card it won't even let you select navigation as an option. Did you buy your unit new? My NAV SD was in its own box with a long USB extension cable and nothing else.

^^^According to Doru and I believe one other guy you also can install it under the sunroof motor cover, along where the bluetooth mic is hidden

He might not have pushed it in all the way because its a bitch to yank back out (releases completely different then the factory unit). I've been using mine the same way because I am still working on the reverse camera and a have to wire reverse and a few other things. Its easier then fighting with it and potentially damaging the dash.

I should of bought the removal tools from Jeff.

Entirely possible. I didn't even mess with it to much. My dad, who luckily happened to be visiting, suggested the idea and it made plenty of sense so we went with it. Works perfect and I tucked all the wires away so you can't really see it from the outside and at all from inside. Matches my black sharpied out ezpass haha.

Nice Olek, I'm still a few months out from getting one of these. I also saw a post from Jungerishere on page 10 where he said the mic can be attached magnetically on the dash bracket behind the unit (and thus 100% stealth) and signal isn't affected, apparently its more affected by the auto-detect setting for COM ports on Igo software

I just ran it with the GPS and tucked it right the grab handle. You can't see it unless your looking for it:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-x...o/IMG_0369.JPG

GPS antenna:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-7...o/IMG_0367.JPG

As Jeff can tell you from dealing with me from the last few days I am no audio installer. I had my dad, whose a retired Volvo/BMW tech of 40 years, cut the dash bracket down for me and pretty much just went with it for the rest of the install. I definitely didn't go all out with looking for better ways to do it so my install might not be the best but it will definitely be a confidence builder for those who are considering doing this as a DIY.

I actually really like the rearview mirror install for the antenna.

And I don't think its been said yet but kudos to Jeff for sure, he is really helpful to you guys who have bought the units, running you through any install issues, etc. And he's lightning fast with the help as well.

I don't have any opinion of the Avin or Eonon sellers but from what I can tell Jeff's service on behalf of Dynavin sales is definitely top notch.

Yea it works well. I'll likely be leaving it there.

As far as Jeff goes, my only gripe is that he doesn't sell more stuff for our vehicles. He has been nothing but helpful and responsive. When I realized I wanted to go with his option for my rearview camera he made sure it got added to my order and I didn't get whacked twice for freight. He's answered all my stupid ass questions .

My coworker had an Eonon in his CL55 and it was NOT plug and play nor was it a cake walk. Everything was in Chinese and he had to have it professionally installed. It worked really well once it was in but I knew I needed to spend the extra money because I wanted to utilize Jeff's customer support. I have no regrets with my purchase from him.

He sells Avin as well. There really is no reason to search for a better deal elsewhere.

Let me know how the camera install goes and the mods you had to do to get it to work properly as well, I've heard its not exactly plug and play.

I like how you have positioned the GPS antenna. I will probably revisit my install and reposition it there as well.
Concerning the mic - I'm not a fan of that position. Yes, it's tucked away, but if (once in a blue moon, granted) you're driving with someone else in the car, and the passenger would like to talk as well, it would be very hard for the receiving party to hear your passenger. In my case, when I drive with my wife, we receive phone calls from the kids for example, and it's either her or me or both talking to them. having the mic dead center where the OE mic slot is, makes for perfect reception for the receiving party. But again, at that instance, I position the mic to whoever is talking - the mic is unidirectional (It's tilted to the driver usually, but when we both talk - like conference call - then I rotate it to the middle, if this makes sense).

Yes, new from Jeff J&T Dist. I've looked everywhere in the box- nothing. I have the USB cable. It's definitely missing. I'll ping Jeff about. I did notice that the SD card was missing when I received the unit and assumed the GPS is already installed in the systems HD (the advert says GPS inbuilt) and wasn't concerned.

Doru, it all makes plenty of sense. I considered the same position as yours but preferred it to be hidden. I'm 6'4 so it sits in the perfect position for me to speak to it. I thought about passengers but its rare that actually happens and I can always just switch the phone to speaker.

Different strokes for different folks but I definitely get your reasoning.
EDIT: if you do reposition the antenna do your absolute best to avoid removing the rear view. Its a bitch to put back on (even though you've probably dealt with this already when wiring the first time).

Yea. As long as your antenna has good position it should fire right up with the SD card. I like that it takes half the time my coworkers eonon did.

You can get them from BMW or amazon. It's made by Tesa. I got mine from BMW and they were actually cheaper than other sources, around $5 per roll. I lost the part number. Will post when I get it.

Amazon.com: Tesa Black High Heat Wire Loom Harness Tape Used By Mercedes BMW VW Audi: Electronics

Update:
Details of where I got them.
Polyester-glass mat wrap BMW Part # 61136920760
Online Price $5.83 per roll
http://thebmwminipartstore.com

ECS tuning also has them but for $6.94.

I just picked up two rolls of this Tesa 19mmx25m fabric tape for $7 USD each roll on ebay.

How is the date and time set? I've looked all over the entire menus and only time relevant menu is the time zone setting. I can't set OBC date/time (those functionalities are now gone- date and time just shows hh:mm:ss etc) and therefore I really need Dynavin to show date and time in all screens/sources. I'd be shocked if this is not possible as my D5124f Eonon on my E39 clearly shows accurate date and time in all sources (radio, NAV, SD, DVD etc).

I think it's set by the GPS.

Mine never displays until the GPS has got a signal, so I'd say that's where it comes from.

There is a timezone menu, but you don't use that to set the specific hour:minute

Aah, gotcha. My unit is missing the GPS SD card but Jeff is sending one right away.

Could someone please let me know how to do the following:

1) Change the startup screen from Dynavin to something else - I want it to have the BMW logo.

2) Have the unit always show the DATE and the TIME in ALL the screens, not just the time.

3) Save my radio stations. Currently every time I turn the ignition on the radio settings I'd tuned to and saved are lost.

Out of curiosity, how come there are two USB icons- one in second page and the other in the third page?

Thanks for any pointers.

Jeff posted on the e39 forum that a new firmware was released that addresses a few bugs. Here's comments:

"Dynavin N6 Firmware update! If you have the DSP audio system you MUST READ!!!

Dynavin has the 1.1.1 firmware update up on their website.....for those of you without the DSP audio system this will offer a lot of nice little improvements over the current 1.0.1. Follow the instructions on their site to update (the link is on the bottom of each product page).

Nothing huge but some of the obvious changes:

-Changes to tuner software to better work with certain diversity antennas (like on BMWs), the "hi cut" option in the radio menu should be unchecked for us BMW guys.
-Changes to the way the volume works in nav.....when the nav voice is talking you can turn the volume knob to adjust the nav sound volume independent of the media volume.
-Microphone Gain in the bluetooth menu to allow for adjustment to each individual installation plus options to better handle multiple phones.
-Lots of small stability and performance improvements, as well as a number of vehicle specific changes for wider compatibility.


Keep in mind, this is not your PC, this update is not mandatory.....your various settings will be reset (on the radio, not nav) so make note of them before updating.



NOW FOR THOSE OF YOU WITH DSP.....

The new Dynos 1.1.1 firmware offers many improvements in the way the various source volumes are handled, in particular the way Nav and Media volume are controlled. Navigation volume can now be adjusted separately from the media volume simply by turning the volume knob while the nav is "speaking." However, due to the way the E39 and E53 DSP audio systems work (volume is controlled in the amp, not the head unit) this new feature WILL NOT work in DSP equipped cars. In order for nav audio to be properly heard in these cars some extra setup is required.

1: In the SOUND menu turn DSP mode off (unchecked),

2: Use the STEERING WHEEL volume control to turn the DSP amp volume all the way down to avoid damaging speakers.

3: Play some music and set the DYNAVIN's volume to about half way on the displayed volume scale using the volume knob. Since the DSP amp is turned down you should not hear anything.

4: Using the steering wheel volume knob turn up the DSP amp volume until you can comfortably hear the audio but its not loud.

5: Set the voice volume within iGo volume settings to about 1/3 of its range. The"master volume" should be set to maximum.

6: When you touch the voice volume slider or change voices you will hear the nav voice speak. While the nav voice is heard, use the dynavin's volume knob to adjust the volume to match the volume of the music. When you are adjusting the nav volume the volume scale at the top of the screen will turn green instead of red.

7: Once satisfied that the music and nav volume are similar use the STEERING WHEEL controls to turn the volume all the way down.

8: Turn the Dynavin's volume knob until the onscreen volume display shows between 50%-75% (how high you set the volume here will set the systems maximum output level)

9: Go back to the Dynavin's sound menu and turn on DSP mode. This will "lock in" the relative volume levels and return volume control to the DSP amp.

10: Slowly turn the volume back up using the steering wheel controls, if it does not go loud enough use the DSP level adjustment to gain more output. If you cant get enough output uncheck the DSP box and go back to step 8 and turn the volume to a higher setting.

You can still use the volume settings within the iGo menu to tune the nav volume to taste if needed, same as its always been.


To be clear, what we are doing here is getting all of the volume settings close to even within the Dynavin system, since the volume in a DSP system is actually a function of the cars amplifier....we have to get all the volume settings evened out BEFORE we check the DSP box and turn volume control over to the amp.

Now if you followed all of that go ahead and update.....if you didnt understand, I dont recommend you do this update. "

And here is the post

^^^Great post Dorin. Duly noted if and when I get the N6.

How is the MID integration? I am thinking of getting a Dynavin.

These don't have bluetooth audio do they? This is a feature I'd love!

Yep, I'd already installed the new Dynos 1.1.1 firmware.

Also, what are the Naviextra free updates? The site says yo need to connect the unit to a pc with their tools. Can't do that without buying the unit.

At 700$, you bet they do

I'm getting into a corner as the wife pesters why Dynavin does not show the date as the factory NAV did and the eonon on my 528 does. I'll connect back the factory NAV and at least set date/time of OBC just to keep her quiet for a while.

Jeff, this actually is a bug, or am I missing something?

no, it does not show the date, its not a "bug"....its not supposed to...

I agree, it's not a functional bug but I think it's a specification bug. Like other units (even the lowly eonon) date and time is shown on all screens. This feature becomes particularly important for vehicles that lose the ability to set time/date after installing the Dynavin.

Jeff, please kindly consider this post a feature request.:D Looking forward to a software update;)

does it kind of bother/frustrate anyone else that a near $100k vehicle is so picky with aftermarket support? I mean you buy any other run of the mill vehicle and you buy a $200 deck and you're good to go :P

Show me an E53 worth anywhere near $100k. :rofl:

I read somewhere on the internetz that they were near that new. And I believe everything I read on the www;P

$100k E53 X5 is easy: just add up your service receipts...

I hate that you're right haha

http://bmwfive.com/wp-content/upload...ve-lemans1.jpg

Only one I can think of that would come close!

Pictorial narration where and how I installed the mic and GPS antenna. The mic form is stuck with superglue (on the sides and not on the tip) where the factory mic was installed. I did the ultimate test of mic reception- called wife and she could hear me very clearly even when I sat in the back seat and speaking in a normal voice! GPS stuck on the passenger side roof- the reception is immediate!

There was no need to remove the A pillar or the glove box. A word of caution- make sure the tip of the guiding wire (cloth hanger) will not catch onto something such as the airbag curtain or other cables. Use pliers to flatten the tip. Be gentle when pulling the cables through.

As you can see I in the pics, the mic cable barely makes it to the unit. GPS cable will have ample length. That flexible tool with a lit tip was from Harborfreight and was very handy in exploring where to run the cables. You just wait to see the light on the other end (pun not intended) for possible routes as you prod here and there.

I have a window sticker for 55k. Maybe a 4.8is would come closer to 75k, but I can't imagine one costing 100k new.

105,000$ Canadian brand new in 2004, last owner showed me the paperwork, before tax

Well i'm pretty much wrapping everything up. I ran my Ipod and Aux down the side of the center console, drilled into my cubby, and mounted both in there. I've battled most with the reverse camera because I ran the wires without removing my seats and I've been working after work mostly in the dark with flashlights smh.

Today I'm going to finish connecting my power source in the trunk and start toying with camera placement. I have a few ideas that would make it pretty stealth i'm just unsure if i can finagle the correct angle.

I'll get a thread together next week breaking down my installation. I didn't take pictures of the process because, again, I'm working in darkness (sucks ass) but I can answer all the stupid questions I asked Jeff so he doesn't have to.

x5only, I want to use the factory mic location as well, you said it barely has enough length to make it there? Great job on the nav antenna, thats a completely stealth location and great for reception

Mine had an ample length for the mic cable.

^great to hear Dorin thanks!

It is not a BMW issue. If a company sells an aftermarket anything that is listed that it is for a specific vehicle then the directions for install should be complete and not require contacting the maker or having to the forum for assistance to get the product working properly.

I follow this thread. I would like to upgrade my nav but with all I read here it doesn't seem to be worth the trouble. I can't see the value of making the change, and I am trying, I would like a good reason to make the purchase.

Yes, the mic cable will make it from the factory mic location to the back of the dynavin but it's a tight fit the way I routed the cable- across the headliner on passenger side, along the inner edge of weather strip, around the bottom of the glove box on the footwell and then up towards the back of the headunit. One could probably be more invasive in removing stuff to run the cable shorter but I wanted to do the minimum and avoid breaking stuff in the process.

The only downside I've had after switching to the Avin (and I'm sure those who went Dynavin feel the same) is the loss of the cluster information. That's it. Google Maps blows the MKIV away, the bluetooth is easier to use with the aftermarket unit, gaining USB inputs, etc.

The install is a downside... but not insurmountable. Unlike probably most here, I was/am a professional audio installer and I don't think I even needed to look at the instructions. For the average DIY'er it should still be very doable.

If you prefer the OEM head unit, I understand that position too. I was just giving your reasons for the switch. :thumbup:

Not a good idea to assume anything----you are wrong on all counts. I am not a newbie here. I have been doing my own work for several decades. I am not new to audio system installs. All that considered, I wouldn't think of speaking for all of us.

Its clear that either I was not expressing myself well or you were misinterpreting what I was saying...maybe some of both. In any case Ive deleted my posts as its a big derailment of this thread and the direction our conversation took helps no one. You can do the same if you choose. Sorry for the thread-jack anyone who was following that.

Drama drama drama. I still just want to know if I can load Google maps or an alternative to Igo onto the head unit. I don't want to pay for the nav software when my phone does it already.

drama indeed! :wow: haha....

No you cant load google maps.....thats a iOS or Android internet dependent app. The dynavin is a conventional car stereo/gps system, similar to stock or the "regular" car audio units from pioneer, kenwood, alpine....etc.... Map data is onboard, there is no internet dependency.

Thanks for the response. So is the only option Igo or are there other non internet based navigation software that can be loaded?

iGo primo has been pretty well recieved...and very well integrated with the N6, its as good as most of the nav programs out there and quite a bit better than most OEM systems....some of the other guys on this thread can back me up on that though. Not sure why you would want to do a different program other than if maybe it has a lack of data or some major error in your area that you know of?

But yes, theoretically it can run other nav programs but basically nobody does that anymore, back 5-6 years ago it was common and piracy was rampant, but not so much anymore.

Its included with the unit so Im not sure what you meant about paying for it....

This is pulled right from Dynavin's website. " Furthermore, Dynavin offer 30days FREE updating on the maps after the first use." So after 30 days any updates are on me, to the tune of $70 for maps, $10 for POI's, and $10 for 3D. That is what I am not so thrilled about. Also the ease of use. I'd much rather just run Google Maps, attached to my Google account, so it'll pull up and POI searches or address that I have already looked up on any of my devices. I don't want to look up a destination on my phone, and then have to enter it into the headunit when I can just nav straight off my phone faster and easier. With Igo it looks like I would be doing the same thing as I am (or could, since I never do) with my OEM unit, which is look it up on phone, enter address on HU. For $800 I'd rather just stick to using my phablet if the Dynavin is incapable of providing me a lazier experience.

I also deleted my portion of the drama.

Josh, what you are looking for is Android Auto...its new and barely exists at the moment but will be more commonplace in a year or two. For now yes, you are better off with your phone based on your comments

:thumbup:

Thanks. I liked what the Dynavin provided, I just really wanted the android side of navigation. I also was looking forward to the Avin unit but from the pictures posted by a fellow member it doesn't really seem to fit, which was a let down.

I had a Pioneer NEX8000, it as did the APPRADIO3 before it collected some kind of sand behind the screen. Pioneer replaced the AR3 +$$$ for the 8000, when it happened again they said "we will refund as it will happen again undoubtedly"

So I have over 1k of their money to spend. I like the Dynavin premise but that it can't go in any other car (e39/e53) is a negative.

I buy lifetime nav Garmins which I use although all my head units have had nav, I just like having the nav in my windshield.

I would like to have the ability to update the HU maps, so 100 a year (70 maps/30 3d) seems excessive.

I need to make a decision, having the oem system back in there is getting old.

I'm waiting to get the N6 as soon as I finish my interior upgrades. Install LED bulbs. Change all seats and door panels to the 2-tone Montana leather. Wrap my trim with 3M silver CF wrap and clear coat them and redoing my headliner from grey to jet black suede. Got to make a custom sub enclosure to house an 8' JL Audio sub and install and wire Alpine amp. Then the last thing for the interior is to get and install the N6. I am also going to be doing the facelift to my X. Tons of mods to come. :)

My N6 turns on when the key is not in the ignition. Is any one else seeing this? I stumbled upon this when I accidentally depressed the vol button when getting out of the vehicle. Won't this risk draining the battery?

Yes you can turn it on while the car is off, same as a lot of stock radios. It will turn off by itself after about 15 minutes so as not to drain the battery excessively.

^^Jeff can confirm but I believe the N6 has a sleep mode where it turns off after a few mins when the key is on so you won't get battery draining

I see, thanks. I was just a little perplexed by this last night.

Jeff, I've had to install the unit without the metal bracket otherwise it won't sit flash to the console. It was protruding out about .25" no matter what. I've given up on that bracket. Now the unit is siting flash and nice.

What's supporting the back of the N6 if you don't have the bracket?
I remember having the same problem but after much wiggling around it finally sat nice and flush with the dash.

My only gripe so far is the bluetooth for voice calls.

When I'm on the phone I have to turn volume all the way up and it has an echo. When I hang up my music is on full blast. Anyone know what setting to enter or if there is an update that fixes this. I installed my system out of the box and haven't checked for updates yet.

You have DSP right? This was discussed at length on the ....E39.....bimmer.....forum....thread. Since the DSP system actually controls the volume the dynavin cant level the call volume like it would in a non-DSP application.....what you need to do is lower all the source volumes in the settings menu and make sure the volume on your phone is all the way up.

Also lots on changes with the way volume is handled in the newer firmware, make sure you read up about it on the other thread....or at least make sure you understand the DSP specific instructions that are with the firmware download.

May be it's tougher on cars that had factory NAV- we did battle 'till late in the night and I gave up. We'll have a rematch soon as my hands heal because I know I'm asking for trouble to leave it with no support in the back, basically resting on the cables.

Left pic without bracket.

I had to use a couple washers on the top mounting screws of the Avin mount in order to close the gap at the bottom to nil. Maybe something like that would help in your case as well? It has the effect of rotating the top out a tiny bit and the bottom in an 1/8" or so. My X5 was a factory nav truck though...

Just a thought as my initial installation looked much like yours.

X5only,

The issue you are having is that there are two slots on the back of the dynavin that interlock with the bracket, with the dynavin out of the car you can see plainly how the unit interfaces with the bracket. When you mount the bracket you are screwing to the dash....which is mostly foam and vinyl...and is not very precise. So if the brackets dont end up in the right place the brackets wont line up with the slots, and the unit wont go all the way in.

There are a few options, get the brackets lined up better, sometimes not tightening the screws very tight helps as it keeps things from getting warped and allows for some wiggle when you are putting things together....although sometimes easier said than done depending on how far away from "standard" your dash is. OR just cut or bend that part of the bracket back out of the way so that it no longer hits the back of the dynavin. Those slots are basically redundant and dont really need to be there as the head unit is already securely held in a couple other ways as well.

Because a picture is worth a thousand words....


This is a pic looking at the bracket and the BOTTOM of the dynavin, you can see the slot and the part of the bracket that goes into it
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...psjl3dydff.jpg

This is probably what yours is doing, its slighting misaligned in the dash and is not going in all the way.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...psddqtukmz.jpg


This is what it should do when everything is lined up correctly
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...ps54y5fyof.jpg






Crystalworks,

The Avin doesnt really have a bracket like the dynavin, they are fixed to the dash quite differently.

That is exactly what is going on Jeff because with the bracket it sits flush on top and not the bottom. I probably need to tilt the unit a little back so that the slot engages the bracket then tilt forward and push the unit all the way in.

I'll report back. Otherwise the N6 is absolutely fantastic transforming the entertainment tech and looks of our X5. And the wife loves its bluetooth, NAV and having her entire music collection in the car (SD card). Now I suspect it will be quite a while before hearing talk of getting another car:D

From looking at the way the bracket engages on the bottom Im thinking that you probably need to tilt the unit UP a little in the back....so you put the bottom in position first, then click in the top. Although without seeing it in person its hard to say.

Yep, I see that now from those pics.

Great customer service Jeff. :thumbup:

Got you. Thanks Jeff

:thumbup:

Has anyone noticed that the buttons of this unit are kinda loose? Or is it just mine? They function perfectly otherwise. The OEM headunit buttons are firm to the touch just like the climate control buttons. I didn't think much about it until my wife mentioned it. It does feel cheap though. Looks like something Dynavin should look into in the next iteration of the product.

Yeh, agree they're not as tactile as the OEM buttons, but they match the 10yr old IHKA buttons that disintegrate upon touch quite nicely! An impressive feat!

On a serious note, I rarely touch the buttons on the radio - I use either the steering wheel buttons or the touch screen.

Great thread guys. Sent Jeff a PM and getting the ball rolling on my Dynavin N6 upgrade. Quick question for anybody that has completed the BU camera install. Does the Dynavin provide the guide lines in the video image, or do I need a camera that provides them? I know that the Dynavin is supposed to read the steering input angle and "swing" the lines, but I haven't seen if our E53s support that feature or not. I'm guessing with the active xenon headlights that the steering angle is calculated some how. Does the Dynavin see that information? Thanks in advance for any and all feedback!

99% sure the Dynavin puts the lines down over the camera.

I don't have active xenons so my guide lines don't move. One of the 4.8is guys can probably answer that question for you though.

Actually the parking guide lines are a feature of the camera (I tested my camera while out of the car before install). Most current cameras have the feature. As for the moving parking lines, those are part of the canbus protocol, not the older ibus as in the E53 X5. On my 2005 4.4 sports with active xenon headlights, the parking lines do not move while I can see the headlights moving (indicating the steering angle sensor is fine).

There you go! Ignore everything I said ! lol:thumbup::bustingup

Thanks guys! I'd been having a hard time finding a camera that didn't have the guide lines as part of the image. Sounds like that is the way I need to go anyway. Thanks again for the feedback.

Eonon has Sony high def cameras without guidelines

Hey X5only, do you have a link for that Eonon Camera? Thanks!!!

Here you go- Sony A0122, it does not have parking guide lines. Got it in 2013 and have it installed on my E39. Very clear display and night images are pretty good.

A0122 High Definition Wide Angle 170°WATERPROOF Color Sony CCD Camera W | eBay

I have a 4.8iS with adaptive lighting and my guideline's don't move. I'm not sure if they are supposed to or not but they definitely do not. Doesn't really bother me I just thought I would share.

Another thing to add, if anyone ends up using the license plate camera (cutting it up to fit of course) then the guidleines are largely useless anyway, because the camera is offset to one side which give a false representation of the 'dimension' of the car.

Ie. My guidelines are about a 2 feet off centre of the actual position of the car, so largely ignore them.

Based on my driveway that would make it easy to hit a tree.

H'm, interesting. I've observed rear view camera on most vehicles are installed offset to one side including BMWs with factory camera. Perhaps the particular camera system compensates for the offset, I don't know...:dunno:

For an OEM camera, I'd have no doubts that would be the case - but for an eBay special you are pretty much getting a generic camera moulded to a piece of plastic that fits in a hole - sometimes not even that much!

I just did a camera on our W204 M-Benz, another eBay special, and it has probably 10 degrees of lateral free-play, so even if I did line it up, it wouldn't stay that way for long!

I the cameras to make sure nothing is behind me, posts or trash cans or whatever....that might be below my line of sight. I certainly wouldn't be using it for high speed precision reverse parking!

How did you guys get the bottom tabs to line up with the holes on the dynavin?
When i bend them flat the head unit just flops around and tilts up

anyone?

anyone have luck with the lower mounting tabs?

I had similar struggles. The answer is in post #488+ in page #49.

Thanks i see it now, my bad

Camera location is frankly not all that critical, I personally like them to have the a good angle so that I can just see the edge of the bumper (so fixed cams are not that great) but the side to side location is not that critical since they are wide angle lenses.

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Yes but when they're not centred they can give a false representation of where your car is vs the guidelines.

See this pic from mine; you can just see the top of the tow ball which helps with distance, but in terms of width, the guidelines are not centred.

If someone got in the car who wasn't familiar with that, they could be forgiven to backing the corner closest to the street into objects as the guidelines indicate the car will clear.

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This is using the license plate bulb camera that came with the N6.




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Yeah, I hear you......and your example there is about as extreme as Ive seen. That camera has a surprisingly narrow field of view.....doesn't look wide angle at all....you would be better off with no guide lines at all.

Generally Ive not seen ANY guidelines that I would really trust anyway, including on OEM setups. In my personal car I played around with some boxes to see how accurate things were and adjusted the camera to get its as close as possible, but still when things get that close its time for eyes and mirrors.

Yep, looks like his camera is only 120 degree angle- pretty narrow view. I've seen pretty good wide angle (170+ degrees) cameras on ebay for cheap.

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That's the camera Jeff used to sell (?) with the N6.

Works fine - I've got PDC so it's really just an extra precaution.


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Yeah, we don't carry those anymore. Nothing specifically wrong with them, I just don't really like the lens replacement style...even though they are by far the most popular!.....just as we are discussing, too many compromises in my opinion. I prefer the flexibility of the more universal style cams....no potential for bulb warnings, and any angle and placement you want.

The camera I currently recommend has selectable guidelines so you can remove them if you want....I like that concept.

Sounds like a WIN/WIN

That's cool! Have a link to the camera?

eh....not a sponsor here so its not cool for me to post something like that.....but its pretty easy to find since its the only one on our website.

Ok, guys...is any one else seeing this? Since Dynavin relies on the cars "sleep mode" to turn itself off, the battery drains really fast when I'm working on the car. I was fixing my side view mirrors while the keys were off the ignition, and the frequent closing and opening the doors quickly drained the battery since Dynavin would wake up and stay up till sleep kicks in even though it looks like it's off (no display). Do this 3-4 times in an hour or two and you get a drained battery. This never used to happen till I installed the Dynavin. Not a biggie for me since I have a battery charger on hand that will fast charge in a few minutes to start the car.

How do I remove the center air vents above the radio?


2002 BMW X5 E53 3.0i

"If you ain't first, you're last"

Nvm got it


2002 BMW X5 E53 3.0i

"If you ain't first, you're last"

Yes the downside to the nifty feature where the Dynavin boots up when a door is opened/unlocked is......well the unit boots when a door is opened/unlocked! So yeah it has the potential to run down the battery if you are working on the car and keep waking it up. Less so now since Dynavin reduced the standby time in the latest firmware. But yes, if you are going to be working with the doors open for an extended period of time a battery charger is a good idea (or disconnect the battery).

That would be super annoying while detailing.

^Agreed, an absolutely super annoying feature. I don't care if I have to wait for boot up time when the car is started, because I'm usually opening doors a ton and wiping down door jambs after I wash, or have all the doors open and closed a few times if cleaning interior.

Even if it worked like my MK4 Jetta, where you could turn the key off and the radio was still running (position 0 was like position 1 in our cars) but once you pulled the key out of the ignition it killed the radio and didn't "re-boot" until startup.

Would be nice if you could have an update to Dynavin that made it work like that, so you basically could listen to the radio when detailing but if you wanted it off completely just take the key out.

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In regards to cutting out the plastic piece. How did everyone do it? The Dremel I have can't reach into those weird angles. You can see that the bottom piece is preventing me to cut it straight across. I was gonna try to cut it across from an angle then use the grinding stone to flatten it until I reach the top but that's not working neither. Any advice?



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2002 BMW X5 E53 3.0i

"If you ain't first, you're last"

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So I got the 90 degree angle attachment and of course it'd be an inch too tall. Any help on this? Wasn't expecting this part to be the longest part of the install. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07...04d07bed49.jpg


2002 BMW X5 E53 3.0i

"If you ain't first, you're last"

Just use a drill bit in the Dremel.

Then you drill a hole at one end and then move sideways to cut.

Hi all please forgive me if somebody had asked this before, there is about 50 plus webpages on this topic so I had to use the search function to my question; however it returned no answer. Anyway long question short, can anybody advise please how does the unit stack up with the cold temperatures? My X is parked outside with only a car cover to protect it from the snow and the temperature here sometimes drops to -30'C and below. And yeah you guessed it right here means in Canada! Ei? I would like to buy this unit however if it will not hold-up to the cold then my desire to have one is moot. As always thanks folks

Anyone knows where the cable connects to on the N6 to get steering wheel function?


2002 BMW X5 E53 3.0i

"If you ain't first, you're last"

It all starts AFTER you paid the X off.......

Nothing is ever easy with a BMW.....but extremely worth it when it's done.....correctly

I just installed an anti-glare screen protector I learned about in the E39 bimmerfest forum (E39 and E53 dynavin have the same screen). Works great and what a difference! I think it's a must have.

Anti-Glare film - Dyanavin N6 e39 Touch Screen - Bimmerfest - BMW Forums=

^Great to know, yes its one of the things I would do for sure if I got a Dynavin. Did they update the software at all recently to where it wouldn't turn on every time you opened the doors?

Does anyone have a link for the newest firmware update the dropbox link I used didn't give me the correct file.

Let me know what the improvements are Olek :)

there are a couple of guys in Calgary running them and I do not think they ahve ever complained of winters and cold temps being an issue, BUT having said that I believe they also garage their vehicles unlike you...
lets see if some of the guys respond

Will do

off-topic, I know, will the anti glare screen protector mentioned above by X5only fits the factory 16:9 screen too or is there a protector designed for it specifically? I saw some old thread where some one cutout a bigger one like iPad one to fit but a film cut to spec is better.

Anyone? lol

It depends on your current setup- does the car have nav or not? It would also be easier to help you if you post a picture of the cable you have, the back of your unit etc. Otherwise now I would have to remove my unit, figure out what you're talking about etc. I guess that's why you haven't gotten any prior response.

It's too large for factory screen, you'd have to cut it to spec. But you can buy to spec from seller. Just give them the exact spec you want.

How do I have the unit default to displaying navigation on startup? I want it to always be on the nav screen unless I make a different selection. The Eonon unit on my E39 defaults to what was last displayed when the ignition is turned off -radio, nav, dvd, usb etc.

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The prior unit was a business cd one. Non nav. Can't find a port to plug the steering wheel cable in.


2002 BMW X5 E53 3.0i

"If you ain't first, you're last"

It all starts AFTER you paid the X off.......

Nothing is ever easy with a BMW.....but extremely worth it when it's done.....correctly

Problem solved. No. Need to plug that cable in. Looks like there was a loose connection to the CAN box.


2002 BMW X5 E53 3.0i

"If you ain't first, you're last"

It all starts AFTER you paid the X off.......

Nothing is ever easy with a BMW.....but extremely worth it when it's done.....correctly

to clarify the last couple posts.

The Canbus/ibus box does not plug into anything on the car, it only plugs in on one side to the dynavins wire harness.

Daylight savings ended and so now my system is 1 hour ahead. GPS shows the correct time though. I thought the system synchronizes time with the GPS time. The time zone setting does not allow going back one from the current setting of 5 i.e. there's not setting for 4. I'm in the Pacific NorthWest.

Any ideas?

Its in the radio system settings menu, on the west coast we are at GMT -8:00.

Hhmm, so something's wrong with my system, eh? Mine shows only +5 to +10, and I can't scroll up or down. If I try to scroll using the scroll bar or the vertical redline, the menu closes. Got the latest firmware.

As the picture shows the system time shown is 11:22am but actual time is 10:22am. GPS shows the correct time.

answered on the other forum(s)....

Just read the whole thing - I already bought the N6 and the fakra cable. I'll be replacing the stock NAV, installing a reverse camera, and upgrading speakers and sub. I'll post about everything once done....

My N6 is working well, still. its been a while since I last posted on this forum. Lost my GPS card and I gotta pay 75$ for replacement..ouch
One of the tweeters might be out cuz I'm getting an annoying sound from the upper left dashboard...gotta take it apart one of these days ...

Has anyone been able to install the N6 using only the directions?

Has anyone had trouble free operation for a year or more?

Mine pops an error code for gps once in a blue moon. Only if i turn off the car with the gps still on the screen around 1am @ night when i leave work.
Sometimes in another language other than english. (Chinese maybe)

Nice. Looking forward to seeing how it goes (especially the reverse camera) :thumbup:

Cool - may not do the speakers (just sub), and it likely won't happen until early 2016....I'm slowly planning the install, and buying everything I need/want for the projects I'm taking on all at once (Angel Eyes, Bi-Xenon Projectors, LED bulb retrofits, Dynavin N6, Sub, etc).

I'll report back once all is done to give a report on my encounter, and the quality of the system (or any issues) once installed.

I've had mine since March this year and it's been trouble free. I would expect it to be trouble free years to come. Why? Because my lower quality Eonon D5124F in my BMW E39 is going strong for 3 years so far.

I have the e46 version in my M3 and it's been solid for a year +

How about the install? Did you have to get tech help or come here rather than just follow the directions?

For a standard audio system, i.e. non-DSP, I think the instructions that come with the product suffices and should be PnP. I have DSP and I found it a little bit challenging to install, I guess because I was doing it for the first time. It requires running the fakra cable from the front to the rear where DSP amp is located. Reverse camera and PDC hookup is also a little bit involving which I also did. But all this is well addressed right on this forum, so should be pretty easy although requires patience as it is time consuming and requires care. I wanted the cabling to look professional and neat.

To clarify the above....the extension (aka fakra) cable is for cars that came with oem navigation. DSP system installs are the same as non-dsp installs, just the settings on the unit are somewhat different.

Hi Jeff, what are the updates in Dynos 1.2.0 firmware? The Dynavin website seems to indicate it has support for Siri but is not clear what else it contains or addresses.

a bunch of little stuff thats mostly behind the scenes but the main thing is the Siri and 'ok Google' voice integration

Cant wait to get mine!

Anyone installed this on a X5 with factory NAV and non-DSP? Have any issues with the harness or remote turn on wire for the stock alpine amp?

I installed an Avin with that setup (04 X5 Nav no DSP) and had no issues. Needed the extension cable, but no big deal. I assume it would be the same for the Dynavin.

I updated the firmware and now my phone volume is super loud. Not sure what happened here. Before it used to be lower than the music volume,now it is much higher. I have an e53 with dsp running 1.2.0

I finally got around to installing the system. Took waaaay longer for me to do than originally thought because I tried to be meticulous with everything (and I've never really done this kinda install before). Everything works that I WAS able to connect, but I have some adapters and such coming to me so I can finish up some of my nuanced bits of my install. I'll have to go for the reverse camera install and subwoofer upgrade another time. Much left to do, but at least I have Nav and Bluetooth and all that jazz again.

FYI - if it's not been said anywhere yet, the mic in the kit has a 2.5mm plug, and not the standard 3.5mm everyone is used to for headphones. I'm reusing a mic that the previous owner installed with the parrot system I removed, so I'm waiting for a 3.5mm to 2.5mm adapter. I'll just have to pull the Dynavin and plug in the adapter and the mic should work.

I have factory nav also, and want to install an eonon unit. Can i remove the old harness? Because someone wants to buy my 16:9 screen and mk3.. and he asked for the harness as well

You can but imagine it would be a little bit of a bitch and you'd be removing your interior to get to it. I put the Eonon in mine and selling the stock NAV DVD. My boardmonitor has some bad pixels.

It would be pita offcourse.. but still need to drop a cable for my 2nd amp for subwoofer in the back.
Would it be that much more work to remove the harness? If yes the buyer just has bad luck haha

I don't remember exactly. Might try my Avin install thread to see what was required to plug into what. Sorry, lol, getting older sucks as my memory is not as sharp as it used to be.

How do these units stand up to sub-zero temp? (-5ºF/-20ºC) Do they introduce any more battery drain when the car is switched off?

Haha i recognize ur problem. But thanks in advance.. will look at that thnx

And the bm54 modul can i remove that one? Because its vroken and im not in the mood to fix it because i wamt to place an aftermarket headunit

Not sure if this helps but I'm located in Minot, ND where it can get down to -40s. I have the unit installed and had the X sitting out while I was at work in negative temps. I've had no start up problems whatsoever. I'd say it's a pretty solid unit.

So I'm having the same fitment issue with my unit (also replacing Nav).
I get how it's supposed to sit in the bracket, but anyone have suggestions on the best way to have the Dynavin mate to the bracket? I can get the top two tabs, and one of the bottom, but not all 4.

Suggestions?

bending them to a certain angle is the only way, takes a lot of fiddling to get right.
Currently my navi has stopped working, keeps poping "fetal error" codes, went through the crash log and the info says cannot find "mobilenavigator.maps"
on my last step with the naviextras support team, if it fails I have a bad head unit :(

They probably meant a bad nav micro sd card. Have you tried with a different one?

was able to fix this problem today
reformatted the sd card to 64kb allocation, fet32 and reloaded all the navi software, works very well now

I didn't get any response to this ^. N6 indeed does not boot to navigation after the ignition is turned off while the unit is on navigation, and you startup the car in the morning. The Eonon in my e39 and the factory x5 Nav unit do bootup to nav all the time, as long as the ignition was turned off while the unit is in the navigation screen.

Any ideas on how to have the N6 behave similarly? Jeff or anyone else?

Ordered my Dynavin N6 last night based on the feedback in this thread. I can't wait to get it installed! I did not order the backup camera yet as I need more time to research. I'd like a decent camera with good night sensitivity. Jeff sells one, but it's a little pricey relative to some others out there and I haven't seen any feedback on it. I don't mind the price if the performance justifies it. Anybody have any experience with the one from J&T, or have good experience with another?

Hey David. I'm in the process of completing my install right now. I went with a camera from Amazon. I actually purchased 4 uniquely different models and did a test of day and night performance as well as quality of build, un-boxing and the whole deal. I'm going to do a write-up for this thread as soon as I get the install complete. Should have it up next week.

This is the one i kept and installed...

http://www.amazon.com/Camera-Chuanga...ilpage_o03_s01

Stay tuned :popcorn:, I owe this forum, Jeff at J&T, and the folks on this thread a full write-up for all of the great info on here, so this will be my contribution! :D

That'll be great! I'm anxious to get it installed, but it's gonna have to wait until I get the car repaired as my passenger side door is stuck closed due to a broken lock actuator and I can't get the door open, even using the coat hanger trick. I'm waiting on another part that the dealer had to order from Germany before I take it back to the dealer :(.

I like the looks of that camera. I'm curious to know how you like it.

Look forward to your write up! :popcorn:

My Dynavin arrived yesterday. Nice looking unit. They changed the bluetooth mic from the typical cylindrical type to one that looks more like a small PC mouse. Nicer looking if you're going to surface mount it (it has an adhesive pad on the back). I did open it up as I want to mount mine behind the factory mic, and it's easily disassembled, so I should be able to mount it the way I want.

I've sent Jeff an email as I'm not sure how to connect the harness. The unit comes with two different harnesses, in addition to the separately purchased Fakra harness that goes from the head unit back to the stock radio module in the rear of the vehicle next to the battery. I'm not sure if I have to use one of the short harnesses, or plug the long Fakra harness directly into the back of the head unit. Anybody here done this yet? I seem to remember reading about it somewhere, but search hasn't turned up anything.

^Good to hear on the updates - If and when I get an N6 I also want to install it in the factory mic location in the dome panel, for a flawless OEM look

Only way to do it if you ask me. That's how I did the avin's mic. :thumbup:

I need this unit, an avin, eonon, or NBT system in my X5. I miss my Avin a ton and this OEM Nav unit feels so dated. :(

The OEM nav is next to useless. I want a NBT but let's be real, it'll probably never happen unless I score a killer deal.

NBT Emulators for E53/E39 /E46...still buggy as per early adopters.

I've got some NBT retrofit parts already but still funding for other projects....still on hold.:(

Best to wait when Evo becomes cheaper/abundant on wrecking yards/fleabay and emulator supported for legacy BMWs!

I didnt see an email from you....but to answer your question, Yes it comes with 2 adapter harnesses as there are 2 possible plugs on the X5 depending on year and equipment. You use the adapter harness that matches your car, it plugs into the stock radio harness, then the long extension cable plugs into that and goes up to the dash where it plugs into the back of the Dynavin.

Maybe you're the guy to ask - but since I listen to SiriusXM 99% of the time when I'm in my wifes car and its something I really miss since I got the X - what would be the best way to integrate with the N6? Its kind of the only thing holding me back since I had OEM integrated Sirius in my old car.

Should I get a piggyback module that uses an RCA input on the N6? I wouldn't mind streaming it via my iPhone5s and Bluetooth but how do I get by without streaming data all the time in the car? For example a 10 hour round trip to my in laws place on the Southern Outer Banks would take up a ton of data and battery life.

If it were me, I'd probably just stream it from my phone. SiriusXM uses very substandard quality super compression (96kbs I think) and I doubt it would eat up your monthly data supply. I stopped listening to it due to the audio quality. Made my head hurt, plus the commercials were annoying. But I digress... stream it for a good 2 hours solid and then check what your data usage on the phone was to get an idea of the problem. Or, switch to a carrier that does unlimited data. We had Sprint which WAS unlimited, but had terrible data coverage (was always 2G or 3G). So we switched to Tmobile which was cheaper, still unlimited, and has much better 4G. Even allows free tethering to devices up to 7GB/phone. So 14GB/mo. We use it for Plex and Youtube.

But, if really concerned with data... go with the Aux input method. You will have a separate module somewhere, and will probably look very early 2000's though.

Edit: Did a quick search... looks like they have upgraded to 128kbps at some point? Funny, didn't seem to help the quality much last time I listened in a friend's car. But it will affect how much data it requires. I couldn't find any hard data on how much it is per hour of streaming... just anecdotal stuff. Some say it uses very little data and others were saying it uses 2-4GB/mo. :dunno:

Thanks Jeff! Yeah sorry, I knew the answer was somewhere in one of the many threads I've read about the Dynavin, I was just having a hard time finding it, but I did. It was very apparent when I finally found it (insert headslap here).

Fakra extension harness directly into the head unit, then to the rear of the car, into the appropriate "short" harness that comes with the head unit, and finally into the factory connector that is removed from the factory radio unit next to the battery. Piece of cake.

I'm so excited, I just might hook it up temporarily tomorrow to play with it! Unfortunately, the permanent install will have to wait until after I take it to the dealer to get the passenger side door lock actuator replaced. I can't even open the passenger side door from the inside right now! :(

Well, I couldn't wait. The weather was really nice today, so in spite of the fact that I couldn't get into the passenger side door, I went ahead and installed the Dynavin in the dash and ran the Fakra and radio antenna extension cables from the head unit, down to the floor and over the back seat and into the rear. I temporarily stuck the GPS antenna onto the steel bracing behind the head unit (it works there!), and put the Bluetooth mic on the console ashtray. It's a jury rig, but it'll allow me to get familiar with the Dynavin while I'm waiting on a part to come into the dealer, as well as allow me time to plan my permanent installation.

I didn't get too much time to play with it after I got everything hooked up, but I'm VERY pleased with it. I popped a Don Henley Live Inside Job DVD into the player and the sound is MUCH better, and I'm just running through the factory DSP amp right now. It's obvious that the Dynavin's electronics are superior to the factory setup! I'll be replacing the stock DSP amp with a miniDSP and Soundstream amplifiers, and adding a 10" subwoofer in place of the stock sub, so expect that I'll be very pleased when it's all done.

Yeah I was going to say they are prob around 128kbps nowadays - and I won't be leaving Verizon anytime soon just because I've had friends with other carriers and the service is TERRIBLE - may upgrade my data plan, ours is probably quite low, I think we have 2GB per month and with my wife and I we never go over lol

I listen to Channel 125 Patriot talk radio basically all the time at the office on Wifi, and on long trips its much easier for me to drive longer while listening to talk radio than getting bored of music - basically I really only use 2 channels on Sirius, Patriot and BPM for my Jersey shore beats lol.

I guess I wouldn't mind the Aux Input method with a separate module if it powered up automatically with the Dynavin to the channel I left it at - but you're right, probably too much work. Wish the Dynavin could get the SiriusXM app and just automatically play when the unit is started up - that would be pretty cool. But yeah I guess streaming it off Bluetooth from the phone would be best -

Yeah, it's a shame there are pros and cons to each one of these types of units rather than just one unit that is superior in all aspects. For example, Dynavin works with DSP and Avin doesn't, Eonon is cheaper but lacks processing power and other features, Avin can do android apps but lacks DSP integration. :dunno:

I think the siriusXM app would work on Avin since it's android... I'm still up in the air as to what I am going to do with the current X5. I keep changing my mind with all the different pros and cons.

Apparently the Avin2 will work with DSP you just have to piggyback the connections on the CD Player and the MID in the trunk area and leave them both plugged in (which isnt a bad thing I guess) - per the DIY thread in the other forum section - I do like the Dynavin a lot however.

I spoke with them a while back. You are correct that it will work with DSP.

I've read about the workaround... but I like to pull all that stuff when installing a replacement unit. :( Plus, with factory nav, there is no MID (unless referring to the factory nav screen). Unfortunate too, because otherwise I would find a place to custom mount it so I could still use my OBC functions on my cluster.

NBT why must you be so expensive?

The only time (pun intended) that I use the OBC on my NAV screen is to reset the time twice a year (daylight saving time), so my intent is to route the connectors so that they're easily accessible and plug the head unit back in the two times a year that I need to reset the time. If I had a MID instead of the NAV screen, I'd find a place to tuck it away somewhere else in the vehicle.

I thought the Eonon is a quad-core vs the Avin's dual-core? Wouldn't the Eonon be the more powerful Android HU on the market so far?