Any Weapon Box for E53?

[Crowz]

Originally Posted by bcredliner

Both sides of the gun control issue are emphatic about their position and many times defend their position with inaccurate information. I would be surprised if there was no counter to my post. You can find something out there to defend what anyone wants to be correct.

What is telling is to compare the actual number of murders and mass shootings per X number of people in the countries that have limited or eliminated gun ownership compared to the US.

Actually London is having a surge in gun related crimes at moment.

But that aside I'm not in the pro or against in my comments just that the majority right now is for having guns in the united states.

Funny thing about it in the county I live in murder, gun violence and such are quite rare. Everyone here has a gun. I actually don't even know anyone that doesn't have a gun here. You tend to be nice to people when every one is armed to the teeth. That's just an observation. I can't really call it a fact just it seems to be how it works here.

[Crowz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uacjxRzYPl0

This covers just how low our gun violence is compared to other countries actually.

We have the highest gun ownership rate at 90 guns per 100 people.

But were not even in the top 100 of the per capita murder rate.......

[bcredliner]

Originally Posted by andrewwynn

One of the deadliest mass murders in us history was carried out with a single gallon of gasoline. Happy Land night club in the Bronx in 1990. (87 dead)

I'd personally rather carry a hidden pistol than a defensive gallon of gas.

The only way you could even reduce fire arm assault is ether eliminate the firearm or the madman. Neither is possible so we have to only do what we can to reduce the pain inflicted when one of these madmen go off.

"Gun control law" is an oxymoron. Gun control means you can hit the bullseye.

That all said, my opinion is that the ATF under the previous admin watch dropped the ball on the bump stock. It's kinda pointless to argue that they should have outlawed them but if they simply required registration then somebody buying a dozen of them within a year could raise a red flag.

That being said, even in this Vegas case, the mortality rate was less than 10% which seems directly related to the utterly random dispersion and it has been logically argued that had the gunman used an unmodified deer hunting rifle (what ignorant folk like to call an assault rifle apparently because it's black instead of brown) he would have killed many more people.

The gunman believed the myth of "assault rifle" and thought he would be able to kill basically every person he hit from 400-500 yards. This miscalculation saved hundreds of people. I have no doubt had he known how low the mortality rate was he would have taken a different path.

A bolt action 30-06 would have caused more fatalities in 10-11 minutes. You cannot legislate away evil it is stuck with its forever.

Freedom is the opposite of civility we have to trade off some freedoms to stay civilized but I'm ok to trade some civility to still have freedom.

I love to hear defending having guns with things like a gallon of gas-- has nothing to do with anything.

Mortality rate was only 10%. That's OK?

There's another one --can't legislate evil away. So we should not attempt to do anything because it won't be effective? Somebody believes evil can be eliminated?

By saying Vegas shooter was ignorant you are saying your are still fine he had access to assault rifles?

And another--gun control means you can hit the bullseye rather than gun control is determining what is necessary to attempt to keep guns from getting into the hands of someone like the Vegas shooter.

[andrewwynn]

I'm just starting off with facts to get a baseline of discussion. I think for example not letting the average Joe have access to automatic guns is a perfectly acceptable trade off of freedom and civility. Taking the side of outlawing even semi automatic rifles is a non starter it's not going to happen so what else do ya got is what I'm saying.

My last post was saying that we collectively dodged a big bullet with this Vegas shooter because you can be sure he expected 10x the actual causalities. I was also saying that he did not choose an effective way to cause mass casualty on a crowd of 22,000 which worked out very good for just shy of 21,500 people who though terrified, were not directly hit. I contend that the hype of AR-15 caused him to choose a less effective option and say for example the gun control side had their way and forced him to use a dozen or two m1 collector rifles that more would have died, it's impossible to prevent madman and they will figure out whatever it takes to do their evil bidding. We can on only do our best to catch them in the act of getting ready or invent faster ways to respond such as pin point triangulation of a gun report, the technology which already exists and is installed on college campuses around the USA.

I can not think of a single law that would have stopped this guy, only change the exact particulars in which the assault was carried out. I'm not saying remotely that we should just give up, I already said a perfect example above: they dropped the ball with the bump stock but people can achieve the same effect with a belt loop: you can't stop "that sort of thing" you can impede it though.

A lock is designed to keep an honest person honest. That philosophy will go a long way to keep some guns out of the wrong hands but it's very limited in its power. Not to say we shouldn't try.

At least 100-200x as much lead is put down range for sport not hunting so it's a very ignorant argument to say what's the point of a semi auto gun for hunting: the point is I can save $700-1600 by using the same gun for both.

With 100,000,000 gun owners and 300,000,000 guns in America, the statistics are incredibly in favor of the law abiding owner causing very little harm. Similar to an airline crash: very rare but a lot of people will die at once when they crash. Regardless both are very very low risk, both are very sensational when they go badly.

A lot more people will die from infections at a hospital than a bullet every year, the media hypes gun violence because it sells. The song "dirty laundry" makes the perfect case.

"Assault rifle" is a made up term of the progressive left to demonize the other side. The most common rifle sold is a sporting semi automatic rifle that is perfect for both target and hunting. Painting a gun black does not change the function of the gun. The weapon also has a very small bullet that reduces it's range and stopping power, anybody using that term for a normal average gun is showing either their bias or ignorance. Just because the lie is told a lot by the media and leftists doesn't make it any more true.

[Blowout]

Back on topic....

OP, to secure a weapon in the vehicle this a good option. It's about as secure as you can get in a small safe.
Fort Knox Auto Pistol Safe - View All Handgun Safes

I have both the larger versions for the home and they are reliable to open requiring no batteries and keep the weapon secure.

Fort Knox PB1 Original Pistol Storage Safe - View All Handgun Safes

Fort Knox Personal Pistol Safe (PB4) - Handgun Safes

[SigBoi]

My take is to each his own, my family came from one of the safest city-states in the world, where any single murder by any method is a huge deal. But here in the US, you are responsible for your own safety and that of your loved ones, thus why I carry. H&K USP 9 Compact btw.

But thanks for getting back on topic, those look nice for secure storage.

What I was trying to go for was more like the weapon box that fits the door like on the E70 Security Model. I always carry IWB at 5 o'clock and would like to not have to reveal and transfer the pistol to another location on the car when getting in and out. It would be much easier to have a dedicated pistol for the car.

I like the highway holster for quick deployment, when driving. I also am thinking about molding a slim compartment to the left side of the center console, near my right knee so it'd be easy to grab with my right hand. This is mainly for when I'm in the car.

Then I'd transfer the pistol to the door type, or other lockbox under the seat for when car is parked.

[Blowout]

Access to that in the door lock box looks impossible when the door is closed because of interference with the seat. Seems the door would need to be opened.

I've had a biometric type box and switched to the push button type for reliability. Most times the biometric would open, but not 100%. Just FYI...

[deepblonde]

Originally Posted by SigBoi

I've been trying to figure out a good solution to store a pistol in the E53.

I found this thread on the E70 forum, and wanted to ask if anyone knew if the E53 ever came with similar weapon boxes. I really like the ones in the door.

https://xoutpost.com/bmw-sav-forums/...ck-box-x5.html

Also have a highway holster about to go into the rig, but haven't had time to set it up yet. Great product, but can't leave it in the car.
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[amancuso]

Originally Posted by AV8R4AA

Sounds real dreamy there.
Here in the USA most if not all the thugs have guns.
All the law abiding citizens are defenseless.
Chicago, California, other "no gun zone" places.
Either be a victim, or fight back.
I choose to NOT be a victim.

I love living here, makes me feel like it's the old West again.

I've never had a problem in New York City (Where I grew up) or in New Jersey near Philadelphia for the past 20 years. We do have a gun in the house, but it's a hunting rifle.

[crystalworks]

Originally Posted by andrewwynn

The gunman believed the myth of "assault rifle" and thought he would be able to kill basically every person he hit from 400-500 yards. This miscalculation saved hundreds of people. I have no doubt had he known how low the mortality rate was he would have taken a different path.

Since this has gone political already...

The mortality rate would have been higher... but the number of people hit would have been lower. When looking to inflict damage, it's quantity over quality in most situations.

I don't know what this guy was thinking, his motives, or his state of mind. You can't legislate the crazy out of people. The gun gives the perpetrator an easy way out as well in the form of a quick trigger pull.

I certainly do not want to disarm the public, but I also don't believe people should have weapons caches either. Some more gun laws will be passed, it's just a matter of how stringent they are.