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Old 02-03-2006, 12:32 PM
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Yup, that`s about it in total for everything you need.
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Old 03-03-2007, 06:25 AM
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I think that there is some confusion here!
On early X53.0Ds the aux heater is always fitted, but there is a bar on making it work from the tv screen.
This heater heats the interior NOT the engine.
In 2003 I had a fight with BMW GB, and they reprogrammed it to work fully without charge.
Later X5s do not have this "bar".
Incidentally, the ticking noise under the lh front is this heater, NOT a sticking relay.
The remote control is a sepatate issue.
Finally, this aux heater is not very effective, so I wouldn't bother too much if it dosn't work. Idling the engine for 5 mins before setting off has a much greater effect on comfort.
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Old 01-05-2008, 03:56 PM
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I think that there is some confusion here!
On early X53.0Ds the aux heater is always fitted, but there is a bar on making it work from the tv screen.
This heater heats the interior NOT the engine.
In 2003 I had a fight with BMW GB, and they reprogrammed it to work fully without charge.
Later X5s do not have this "bar".
Incidentally, the ticking noise under the lh front is this heater, NOT a sticking relay.
The remote control is a sepatate issue.
Finally, this aux heater is not very effective, so I wouldn't bother too much if it dosn't work. Idling the engine for 5 mins before setting off has a much greater effect on comfort.
Only just found this thread which goes some way to explain something that's been puzzling me since I got the car. But can you explain when this 'bar' was removed and is it possible to remove it with a laptop connected to the OBD port?

Does that then show in the Nav screen?

It's a lot of money to find it doesn't really work. Could adrian.b comment on the real effectiveness of the heater?
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Old 01-06-2008, 02:16 AM
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Dont know anything about a bar, sorry. I always had an auxilary ventilation entry on the OBC but didnt use it much. As far as I know all X5 3.d cars have the Webasto engine pre heater and in fact it is always used in cold conditions whether you want it to or not, the car chooses. I was told they were there to speed up the engine heat up process so that the heaters would work faster.

Anyway I bought the remote control module so that I could remotely warm the car up 30 mins before I plan to use it and also defrost the car on a frosty day. This simply turns the pre heater on, it warms the coolant in the engine and when it`s warm enough, the car puts the internal blowers on to warm the interior. The heater is VERY effective as it burns diesel in a seperate burner and gets very hot. We use it all the time but beware, it drains the battery a lot. We have had to learn to make sure the car gets good runs/charges in the winter so that we can use the pre heater as we need to. (a few flat batteries tought us this lesson).

Hope this helps.
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Old 01-06-2008, 04:01 AM
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The aux heater heats air that is routed directly into the interior. I DOES NOT preheat the coolant.
On early UK delivery X5s this heater is fitted, but innactive. On all facelift X5s, it is active.
I'm not sure when the changeover was made.
Mine was activated in 2003 by the dealer after no small struggle because BMW UK said it was illegal to use it in UK. Their reason was that it could pollute the air in an enclosed garage. True.
However, I pointed out to them that LandRover used axactly the same heater, and it was active. BMW then gave the dealer details of how to make it work, and it did!
I guess that this followed through to all UK delivery X5s being delivered with a fully working preheater.
The aux heater cuts out when the temperature in the car is about 15deg.
You'll have to ask a dealer to reprogramme the car to make the heater work if it does not switch on automatically when you start the car at temps below +15deg. This reprogramme also activated the screen controls which prior to this permitted only the venilation mode, not aux heat......in fact, I guess that you can tell if the aux heater programme permits its operation by looking at the options on the screen. If no AUX heat offered, its not going to work.
The remote is a separate issue. It starts up the heater from a distance. However, simply installing this option will not neccessarily make the heater work automatically when it's cold in the car, nor allow you to programe the heater from the screen
If yourt aux heater is not active, it's well worth getting it sorted.
The remote is ok, as is programming the aux heater to start on a timer before you reach it, but in low temperatures, I'm in the European mountains all winter, running the engine for 5 mins before seting off is just as effective, and does not deplete the battery.
Phew
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Old 01-06-2008, 04:08 AM
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Originally Posted by john4231618
The aux heater heats air that is routed directly into the interior. I DOES NOT preheat the coolant.
On early UK delivery X5s this heater is fitted, but innactive. On all facelift X5s, it is active.
I'm not sure when the changeover was made.
Mine was activated in 2003 by the dealer after no small struggle because BMW UK said it was illegal to use it in UK. Their reason was that it could pollute the air in an enclosed garage. True.
However, I pointed out to them that LandRover used axactly the same heater, and it was active. BMW then gave the dealer details of how to make it work, and it did!
I guess that this followed through to all UK delivery X5s being delivered with a fully working preheater.
The aux heater cuts out when the temperature in the car is about 15deg.
You'll have to ask a dealer to reprogramme the car to make the heater work if it does not switch on automatically when you start the car at temps below +15deg. This reprogramme also activated the screen controls which prior to this permitted only the venilation mode, not aux heat......in fact, I guess that you can tell if the aux heater programme permits its operation by looking at the options on the screen. If no AUX heat offered, its not going to work.
The remote is a separate issue. It starts up the heater from a distance. However, simply installing this option will not neccessarily make the heater work automatically when it's cold in the car, nor allow you to programe the heater from the screen
If yourt aux heater is not active, it's well worth getting it sorted.
The remote is ok, as is programming the aux heater to start on a timer before you reach it, but in low temperatures, I'm in the European mountains all winter, running the engine for 5 mins before seting off is just as effective, and does not deplete the battery.
Phew
If it doesnt heat the coolant, then can you explain why my engine temperature guage is between cold and half way when I start the car on a cold morning after using the pre heater for 30 mins? And it only gets hotter (i.e. it doesnt drop straight away once the engine starts cirulating the water, it simply carrys on getting up to normal running temp)
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Homelink Gate Opener, Chrome Grille Kit, chrome tailgate handle, Chrome Guage Rings, Tunit V-CR 086
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Old 01-06-2008, 04:16 AM
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Have a look here http://www.webasto.co.uk/am/en/am_automobile_3177.html

Read the part about the pre heated engine. I can only assume that the coolant is cirulated whilst the heat is applied to the engine, which in turn passes the coolant in to the cabin radiator which then allows the fans to blow air through it and thus warm the car. Anyway it warms the engine and the interior enough to make the leather seats bearable when it`s -5 outside.
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Aluminium running boards
Tv in motion & Aux input lead, Ice>ink to Ipod 3g.
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Homelink Gate Opener, Chrome Grille Kit, chrome tailgate handle, Chrome Guage Rings, Tunit V-CR 086
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Old 01-06-2008, 04:25 AM
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Sorry to keep posting but I had to find this just to satisfy myself. The Webasto DOES heat the coolant.

http://www.wohlfuehlklima.de/en-gb/p...rmo-top-c.html

How your Webasto parking heater works
The water circuit is heated and pre-heats the engine. The heat is introduced into the heating and ventilation system. Snow and ice melt. The engine starts with no problems. The car is cosy and warm and you have a clear view from the start.
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Homelink Gate Opener, Chrome Grille Kit, chrome tailgate handle, Chrome Guage Rings, Tunit V-CR 086
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Old 01-06-2008, 06:27 AM
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This is all REALLY interesting as I had assumed that the equivalent of a retrofit was economically impossible. But...

adrian.b, can you programme the heater with a timer via the OBC screen?

It seems to me that there are 2 methods of operation, via the screen and/or via the remote, but the former is only possible if the aforementioned 'bar' has been removed, otherwise heating control is limited to the remote.

john4231618, I would prefer to use the aux heater than simply running the car since while doing that the car is very vulnerable, unlocked, keys in and running - very convenient for the light-fingered. Also, if the build up of fumes in a garage is of concern, then running a 3 litre engine will create the problem far quicker. I am also keen to have control by timer and by remote - beats having to go out and start the car myself:-)

Then there's the issue of having such a desirable option already fitted to the car but currently I cannot make use of it.

Has anyone any idea if the re-programming to remove the 'bar' and allow heater control by timer can be done via laptop, i.e. avoiding the necessity of involving the dealer and the inevitable cost? £390 just for a remote is already stretching the bounds of acceptability.
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Old 01-06-2008, 09:25 AM
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This is all REALLY interesting as I had assumed that the equivalent of a retrofit was economically impossible. But...

adrian.b, can you programme the heater with a timer via the OBC screen?

It seems to me that there are 2 methods of operation, via the screen and/or via the remote, but the former is only possible if the aforementioned 'bar' has been removed, otherwise heating control is limited to the remote.

john4231618, I would prefer to use the aux heater than simply running the car since while doing that the car is very vulnerable, unlocked, keys in and running - very convenient for the light-fingered. Also, if the build up of fumes in a garage is of concern, then running a 3 litre engine will create the problem far quicker. I am also keen to have control by timer and by remote - beats having to go out and start the car myself:-)

Then there's the issue of having such a desirable option already fitted to the car but currently I cannot make use of it.

Has anyone any idea if the re-programming to remove the 'bar' and allow heater control by timer can be done via laptop, i.e. avoiding the necessity of involving the dealer and the inevitable cost? £390 just for a remote is already stretching the bounds of acceptability.
The wife is out in the car at the mo, but I`m sure I can set TWO timers on the OBC for the heater and just blown air without heat.

I`m pretty sure a retro fit is very possible, but as mine already had one I didnt need to worry about that.

£390 isnt just for the remote, you have to install the remote reciever in to the electrics area in the boot under the spare and then route and stick an antenna on to one of the rear windows (usualy right hand side rear window).

Also you can program the remote to COOL the car in the summer months instead of heat it. It simply blows cold air from outisde (or cooler anyway) in to the cabin, it doesnt turn on air con etc.

Hope this helps.
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Webasto telestart remote kit
Aluminium running boards
Tv in motion & Aux input lead, Ice>ink to Ipod 3g.
DVD rear headrest screens and dvd sytem integrated in to main tv system via aux lead (watch tv or dvd in front and back)
Homelink Gate Opener, Chrome Grille Kit, chrome tailgate handle, Chrome Guage Rings, Tunit V-CR 086
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