Run flat tires

[kaput]

Newbie? Kid you are in for a shock. Actually, I can't say you are a kid. The majority of this forum appears to be middle aged men who can't turn a wrench, asking for help because they have no idea how to maintain their cars. You included "T"ard.

I have 34 posts here, because I am new to the X5. I have created one of the most well respected SMG videos on youtube, have 10s of thousands of posts across many other BMW forums, and was the first in the world to put a double din unit in an E46 as well as the first to use an L3 thermal system in an E46.

What have you done? Bought some tires from TireRack and "roasted" others because they didn't get what you got? Like in all honesty, there is no reason to come in here and act like a know it all cock, while trashing this persons ability to discuss whatever he wants. You need to put the keyboard down and get some sunshine. Pegged you exactly as I saw you. Wow, 4706 posts on a forum with literally no real information or innovation. Fucking score dude!

As for your on topic contribution, I believe I have every right to discuss how they are wearing. I might pull numbers on my lift later, or not. But the facts remain the same, the tires wear like sheets in your moms house, quickly.

Now go find someone who will take your undeserved bullshit and put up with it because you have more posts than them. Trying to win the battle of who could care less, and you can't even do that right.

Post count, what are you, 12?

[SeanC]

Originally Posted by kaput

Newbie? Kid you are in for a shock. Actually, I can't say you are a kid. The majority of this forum appears to be middle aged men who can't turn a wrench, asking for help because they have no idea how to maintain their cars. You included "T"ard.

I have 34 posts here, because I am new to the X5. I have created one of the most well respected SMG videos on youtube, have 10s of thousands of posts across many other BMW forums, and was the first in the world to put a double din unit in an E46 as well as the first to use an L3 thermal system in an E46.

What have you done? Bought some tires from TireRack and "roasted" others because they didn't get what you got? Like in all honesty, there is no reason to come in here and act like a know it all cock, while trashing this persons ability to discuss whatever he wants. You need to put the keyboard down and get some sunshine. Pegged you exactly as I saw you. Wow, 4706 posts on a forum with literally no real information or innovation. Fucking score dude!

As for your on topic contribution, I believe I have every right to discuss how they are wearing. I might pull numbers on my lift later, or not. But the facts remain the same, the tires wear like sheets in your moms house, quickly.

Now go find someone who will take your undeserved bullshit and put up with it because you have more posts than them. Trying to win the battle of who could care less, and you can't even do that right.

Post count, what are you, 12?

[Dieselfan]

Originally Posted by kaput

Newbie? Kid you are in for a shock. Actually, I can't say you are a kid. The majority of this forum appears to be middle aged men who can't turn a wrench, asking for help because they have no idea how to maintain their cars. You included "T"ard.

I have 34 posts here, because I am new to the X5. I have created one of the most well respected SMG videos on youtube, have 10s of thousands of posts across many other BMW forums, and was the first in the world to put a double din unit in an E46 as well as the first to use an L3 thermal system in an E46.

What have you done? Bought some tires from TireRack and "roasted" others because they didn't get what you got? Like in all honesty, there is no reason to come in here and act like a know it all cock, while trashing this persons ability to discuss whatever he wants. You need to put the keyboard down and get some sunshine. Pegged you exactly as I saw you. Wow, 4706 posts on a forum with literally no real information or innovation. Fucking score dude!

As for your on topic contribution, I believe I have every right to discuss how they are wearing. I might pull numbers on my lift later, or not. But the facts remain the same, the tires wear like sheets in your moms house, quickly.

Now go find someone who will take your undeserved bullshit and put up with it because you have more posts than them. Trying to win the battle of who could care less, and you can't even do that right.

Post count, what are you, 12?

Nice resume!

[ard]

Originally Posted by kaput

Newbie? Kid you are in for a shock. Actually, I can't say you are a kid. The majority of this forum appears to be middle aged men who can't turn a wrench, asking for help because they have no idea how to maintain their cars. You included "T"ard.

I have 34 posts here, because I am new to the X5. I have created one of the most well respected SMG videos on youtube, have 10s of thousands of posts across many other BMW forums, and was the first in the world to put a double din unit in an E46 as well as the first to use an L3 thermal system in an E46.

What have you done? Bought some tires from TireRack and "roasted" others because they didn't get what you got? Like in all honesty, there is no reason to come in here and act like a know it all cock, while trashing this persons ability to discuss whatever he wants. You need to put the keyboard down and get some sunshine. Pegged you exactly as I saw you. Wow, 4706 posts on a forum with literally no real information or innovation. Fucking score dude!

As for your on topic contribution, I believe I have every right to discuss how they are wearing. I might pull numbers on my lift later, or not. But the facts remain the same, the tires wear like sheets in your moms house, quickly.

Now go find someone who will take your undeserved bullshit and put up with it because you have more posts than them. Trying to win the battle of who could care less, and you can't even do that right.

Post count, what are you, 12?

Hmm. Sit on an airplane for a day and all hell breaks loose....

A couple of points. Contrary to the beliefs of some, I am a strong believer in a community of owners and enthusiasts, and despite the gruff persona I portray I try to support our efforts here. While I would surely like to dish back on each of the crap and insults kuput and his admirers have felt compelled to pile on with (‘tard’ and ’my mothers sheets’? real class acts), Ill try not to. I will add that if I used the insults and profanity that kuput has resorted to, Id expect to be banned.

I also looked back on kaput’s very first post. #1. Guess who responded ‘welcome’ as the first response?

740iS and kaput are part of a class of the 3rd or 4th ‘wave’ of owners- not new car buyers, but those guys that roll in with 10-15 year old cars when they reach a certain level of affordability. I’ve described this process before: initially a forum is ‘what color are you ordering’ or ‘when will it get here’. Then you get the “warranty covered XYZ”. Then there is that phase of clueless- “I bought an X5 and it is super expensive, what have I done???” Following that, there is perhaps the most interesting phase- dealers no longer do all the work, the owners that wont tolerate dealer prices come in and we get to see the model-specific DIYers. Deep DIYers that forge new, sometime better solutions to issues beyond the dealer approach. 740iS was such a member, and I welcomed him here. ( I did a quick look back at our interactions.) Futzing around with some bearings, instead of ‘just replace the whole thing.’

(lets take a quick break here- I got to were I am by, in part, buying used cars and maintaining them (well, that and having equity in two successful tech start ups) so I DO NOT cast aspersions on people with used cars, or old cars. Or people that maintain their cars. OK? And just because you DO work on your own car, or have modded cars, doesn’t mean crap.)


So kaput, 740iS seem to represent this 3rd or 4th wave. Its how us long term owners will learn how to go 15, 20 years with these cars. I will add that it’s a big tent, those rich guys that just have book smarts should be able to get along with ‘real mechanics’, or so I thought.

But then this little mess of a thread…. These newbs, and yes, you guys are newbs HERE, have decided that Im a poser, that they- the new guys who are the ‘real mechanics’- need to beat up on me. I wont escalate this, long term it isn’t a good path. However, despite kaput’s admonishing I will not ‘walk away’.

Tomaz posted a silly little public service post about how great runflats are. His impressions. Fine. No questions, just why he likes his runflats. Which is fine. Ive had runflats for 140k+ miles, they are fine for my X5. Whatever. I dont care what you buy, but buy the tire not the feature. I did take issue (as I always do 😉) with ‘run flats as a model’. I posted this.

In response, Tomaz first clarified what model he had. But then he got annoyed, and felt compelled to take a swipe in a second post. (He said some dumb stuff before in an earlier post, and prolly felt butt hurt as he re-read my post...) And I swiped back- and then the pile on.



So there we have it. You boys want to be part of the community, fine. You think because you need to wrench on your older cars this gives you some moral superiority, its gonna be a long road.


Oh, kaput- I stand by my statement that without knowing your alignment you cannot truly assess relative tire wear. I didn’t say you cannot speak, just that any conclusions you draw on wear without knowing the alignment are pointless. You are gonna “put it up on your lift and measure it”? lol dude.

You boys just wanna move on? Is this going to be a community or will this devolve for the next few months? Your call.

[Ralphhall]

I have a 2012 X5 5.0. I have Bridgestone 275 front and 315 rear run flat tires and I like them. It is a monster on the road, but likes it’s oil! I believe it is a “Sport” model and could it have an “M” suspension? Where can I run the vin to obtain a build sheet? That would tell me all of the options on the suv, correct?

[Skyline]

I wish my X5 had a full sized spare. Here's why:

In my daughters E53, I drove 150 miles to Philly drop to drop her off at college. Got a flat at 10pm 149 miles from home. Tire was shredded. Changed the tire, drove home on the full sized spare. (The spare was marked with a sticker warning you not to exceed 135mph!) If I had runflats, or a doughnut, I'd have had to stay over at a hotel at least one night, with no change of clothes etc. Not to mention I'd be searching around on a Sunday for a matching tire; the 20" 335's are not exactly a common size. Worse, few if any tire dealers can shave a tire to match the tread depth of the remaining tires; so having a full sized spare allowed me to get home and order a shaved tire to the exact tread depth of the other 3 from TireRack, ($25 upcharge).

Thankfully, I have a doughnut now in my E70. It still will leave me stranded if I'm far from home, but at least the non-runflats are MUCH less expensive. And I really don't have a problem changing a flat.

I do see the problem with most women or small men having to change the huge rear tires on an X5; they are NOT easy to do. My daughter has tried, (because I wanted her to know how,) and failed. She's an incredibly strong athlete; and still needed a bit of help. I guess that's what AAA is for.

Another related gripe is the difficulty in finding non-runflat snow tires for the 20" rims. Runflat snows are $2,400+ for the set. (I use 19" rims for my non-runflat snows for this reason.)

To me, runflats are definitely not worth the big extra expense. And the underfloor space looks pretty close to what's needed to fit a full sized spare; it almost as if BMW wants to force you into runflats.

[the_ulf]

it's not just bmw tho. a lot of manufacturers have over the past twenty years taken to discouraging owners from carrying out any kind of work on their vehicles. vw made it a 90 minute workshop job just to change lightbulbs on certain models, for example. all those plastic covers over the engine are mostly just to keep "untrained" hands away. RFTs are meant to allow joe blow or his wife to just limp it to the nearest shop and pay to have it fixed. like pretty much everything else on any other 21st century vehicle.

i've moved away from RFTs, the ride is much nicer without them. x-ice 2 on 18" for the winter and dws06 on 19" for the summer. i carry a small compressor and a tyre repair kit with me, as well as my bcaa membership. i can still get caught out at the arse-end of nowhere but you can't prepare for everything.

[the_ulf]

also, maybe we should stop trying to turn this thread into a pissing contest.

[Crowz]

I am planning on replacing the front tires on my 2013 with run flats when I get a chance. Still trying to get time to install the water pump I bought to be proactive on that.

Anyways, the car has two normal tires up front now and run flats on the rear where the previous owner was to cheap to replace the run flats when they wore down.

This gives me a unique perspective on how it handles with and without to an extent. The front wanders like mad compared to the back. The run flats are much firmer on uneven roads and I am looking forward to replacing the normal tires with run flats to get back to better handling. As for ride wise its smooth even with the rear run flats.

I have Goodyear f1 run flats on the rear and some off brand Taiwanese tires on the front.

So I for one like the run flats. I have normal tires on my E53 and to be honest it rides about the same.

[the_ulf]

Originally Posted by Crowz

I have Goodyear f1 run flats on the rear and some off brand Taiwanese tires on the front.

that's probably the exact reason why you think your RFTs are better.

i had bridgestone dueler RFTs all around and they were horrible. not even going to debate the point of all-season tyres here but there wasn't any one condition under which i found them to be good rubbers. the michelin winter tyres i replaced them with are far superior in ride quality, let alone cold weather performance. gonna get the dws fitted as my summer wheels this weekend since i only heard good things about them, despite them being touted as all-weather but i shall give them the benefit of the doubt, especially as they're on sale right now