anyone else ordered new Passport 9500ci radar detector for their X5?

[2Fast455]

Originally Posted by FSETH

Guess you didn't want to answer that cop question. I can tell by the attitude though, so no need to actually answer.

You are taking things way too literally. We already established that there is NO real way to be completely invisible to laser. A jammer is the best thing going to protect yourself as much as you possibly can. Once again, it has already been established that some guns will get a reading faster than others and some jammers/shifters will prolong the reading longer than others. It is about protecting yourself and giving yourself as many seconds to slow down as possible. Everyone knows you can't drive 100 mph into a cops laser gun with a jammer and be protected completely without having to slow down. Let's be serious.

I posted the definition of how the Blinder laser jammer works right off of their website. Then you went on to say that type of jammer is illegal per FCC regulations, which was competely inaccurate. The Blinder units are legal in most states.

You also said cops wouldn't give illegal tickets and that is also 100% false. It happens in the US everyday.

Then you post some random case and give no link or proof. I gave you links of things I have said. It is very easy for someone such as yourself to get on here and accuse someone of being wrong and then provide no actual evidence to back up what you are saying.

Why don't you show me any legit state law that says speed detections devices are not required for a cop to issue a speeding ticket and if such a ticket is issued, what the chances of that ticket being upheld is?

Why don't you show me a link that says laser jammers aren't the most helpful device in avoiding speeding tickets?

Why don't you show me where Blinder laser jammers are outlawed by the FCC as you said before?

You are wasting my time.

sorry missed that question but yes I am.

Looked back at your previous post about not shutting down your jammer you dont care about being stopped because a cop couldnt get a reading. Seems now we both agree cops can and will get a speed reading.

You still don't fathom the difference between a laser jammer/shifter and radar jammer. 2 totally different technologies and principals. Hers is another link for you about fcc and RADAR jammers. Blinder is for laser not radar.

The FCC considers the use of traffic radar jammers as malicious interference and strictly prohibited by the Communications Act of 1934, as amended, as well as by FCC rules. Anyone using a jammer risks such penalties as losing FCC licenses, paying a fine, or facing criminal prosecution (from FCC Public Notice -- FCC Regulates Radar Transmitters, but not Radar Detectors, DA 96-2040, 1996 DEC 9) .

Please tell me you realize they are 2 different items we are talking about. Unless you believe all the claims about RockyMountain Radar. But then again you are so up on the latest guys of lidar you hopefully realize they are the biggest scammers around.

I have showed you in Georgia by your own ticketkiller site due to casey V state a conviction is warranted by just a visual estimate alone. Your turn now please show me case law stating otherwise. Do you want NY Caselaw now too.

Still can't help you with your reading comprehension about the blinder and fcc regulations. IT DOES NOT APPY to laser jammers only radar jammers.

Grow up and admit your wrong and maybe you will learn something.

[FSETH]

Originally Posted by 2Fast455

This took all of about a minute. You truly are clueless. Its even on your georgiaticketkiller site


http://thegeorgiaspeedingticketkille...GUIDELINES.pdf.

I guess all you know how to do is search g\uysoflidar sites

I was searching through georgia state codes and not the guys of lidar.

That link states that if the readings of the radar/laser are thrown out for some reason (such as illegal operation of the devices on the cops part) that the cops visual estimate may be used. I am sure that is a last resort type effort to get the revenue from the drivers. Trust me, if the laser/radar readings are thrown out, the states case just got a lot weaker. If the cop NEVER had a laser/radar reading in the first place that may not hold water and that could be a completely different story.

Oh, by the way, it is obvious that the cop will try to see what car is traveling the fastes and shoot that car. It is more likely they are speeding and will get a ticket. Why would they concentrate on the slow moving cars?

I like how I ask you about 5+ solid questions, you chose to disregard all of them and this is all you have to back one of them up.

[2Fast455]

Which 5 questions didn't I answer? I am posting from a blackberry now. I will go back and forth with you all day if you want.

So tell me how does a cop establish which is the faster and shoot that car? Could that be by a visual speed estimate? The basis for using radar or laser?
Feel free to ask anything you want to know about laser or radar. Sorry if you think I came off confrontational to you. I just think it is wrong that you post information that is incorrect or your opinion and not true facts.

[FSETH]

Originally Posted by 2Fast455

sorry missed that question but yes I am.
Please read what I am about to type very clearly before you respond. I am going to spell this out for you as clear as possible.

Looked back at your previous post about not shutting down your jammer you dont care about being stopped because a cop couldnt get a reading. Seems now we both agree cops can and will get a speed reading.

I never said I wouldn't shut it down based on the fact that the cop couldn't get a reading. I said I would not worry about shutting down the laser jammer if I were in a state where it is legal to have one. It was a given that I would slow down. There would be no reason to shut it down as A) it either didn't work or B) it worked and I have slowed down and am in a state where laser jammers are legal, so why bother? You being a cop have to know that you can pull someone over for any reason at all, so if I have a jammer on and you can't get a reading then you see me nose diving from hard braking you will probably find some BS reason to pull me over anyway. If I were to get stopped for some other BS reason because the Cop knew I had a jammer I would't care because I have nothing to hide. Get me now?

You still don't fathom the difference between a laser jammer/shifter and radar jammer. 2 totally different technologies and principals. Hers is another link for you about fcc and RADAR jammers. Blinder is for laser not radar.

This one is very easy to clear up I think this is the second area you completely misunderstood what I was saying. I am very aware that laser jammers and radar jammers are very different things. I agree 100% that radar jammers are illegal and have never once said otherwise. This entire post is regarding laser jammers.

I have showed you in Georgia by your own ticketkiller site due to casey V state a conviction is warranted by just a visual estimate alone. Your turn now please show me case law stating otherwise. Do you want NY Caselaw now too.

That case only talks about if the radar/laser reading was originally obtained and then later thrown out or dismissed. It may not apply to never having a reading on a speed measuring device in the first place. Those are 2 different situations. You as a cop would have a very weak case, if any, if you never had any reading by a device such as radar, laser, or you patrol car speed-o (pacing). How many tickets have you ever given in your life that were based on NEVER having had a reading from a gun or pacing and that were fought and upheld? My guess is ZERO. You know why, because it is BS.

Stilll can't help you with your reading comprehension about the blinder and fcc regulations. IT DOES NOT APPY to laser jammers only radar jammers.

Once again, this is something I already knew and you tried to say otherwise in an earlier post. I gave you the exact definition of how LASER jammers work from the Blinder website and you confused it with a radar jammer and said they were illegal. Look back at your post and you will see that you were wrong. Please look back at your post to my definition of a laser jammer and read what you said again. You will see that you were wrong.

Grow up and admit your wrong and maybe you will learn something.

Maybe this is something you should do after thouroughly reading this post. The police officer arrogance comes through very clear in your posts and I think it is amusing that you are a police officer and your name is 2Fast455. Comical. Of course police officers would never issue illegal tickets. That is unheard of because as we all know they never break the law.

[2Fast455]

Wow that's the best you could come back with?

[FSETH]

Originally Posted by 2Fast455

Which 5 questions didn't I answer? I am posting from a blackberry now. I will go back and forth with you all day if you want.

So tell me how does a cop establish which is the faster and shoot that car? Could that be by a visual speed estimate? The basis for using radar or laser?

It is not very hard to determine which car is moving the fastest on the road, but all that tells you is that he or she is moving faster than the flow of traffic which may or may not be above the speed limit. Nothing more. You can't issue a ticket based solely on this fact wothout the confirmation of a radar/laser gun or pacing.


Feel free to ask anything you want to know about laser or radar. Sorry if you think I came off confrontational to you. I just think it is wrong that you post information that is incorrect or your opinion and not true facts.

Too funny. You have painted yourself in a corner by misunderstanding previous post and confusing yourself and now can't get out, but please feel free to enlighten us some more on the topic you seem to know so much about.

[FSETH]

Originally Posted by 2Fast455

Wow that's the best you could come back with?

That is what I thought. Out of gas, huh.

[2Fast455]

I really hope no one takes any of your advice. Its funny how you claim I am so arrogant because I posy facts compared to your opinions. Lets look back on some of your earlier posts.

Originally Posted by FSETH
"I have that same detector and have gotten 3 tickets with laser guns in the time period I have owned it and yes it is mounted the correct way. Once it did not even go off. Trust me, the 8500 X50 will not protect you very well with regard to a laser gun. None of the detectors really can. It sounds like you have been lucky so far, but I wouldn't have too much faith in it if I were you with regard to laser protection. It has worked really well with regard to redar detection though." 4/21/08


"To each his own, but if I were going to buy just a detector it would be the V1 and if I were wanting more laser protection I would buy the V1 plus an additional jammer. If you are going to spend the money, might as well get the best protection and the 9500ci isn't the best. It may be the best combination detector/shifter, but not the best overall protection. " 4/7/08 and now for the flip flop


"I have been a V1 fan but am slowly comming around to the Escort 9500 beacause of the GPS feature. You can't really go wrong with the V1 or the Escort for radar detection. However, not to beat a dead horse, but a jammer is the only really good protection against laser guns. 4/21/08

I know which escort model you are talking about. The stealth mounted one with the 360 degrees of detection. Not the traditional window mounted unit. I was just giving my opinion on Escort as a company. I have lost faith in their products and will not purchase them in the future. Mike Valentine helped design one of their products years ago and said F'it I can make this better and has been doing so for years now. Sure, the box for the V1 looks out dated, but the technology inside is new (except GPS of the Escort). V1 keeps thir box style because it was a better design form the start with the arrows. Another reason it is unchanged is becasue V1 offers upgrades for older models when new technology is utilized to keep even older detectors relevant.

Look, the Escort 9500ci didn't test nearly as well as the other traditional jammers. You really can't go wrong with a V1 and a good quality stand alone jammer. It will cost less and be far more effective. At the end of the day, it is your money and choice. The Escort is less protection for more money, but if it makes you happy that the cop writing your ticket doesn't see your inferior laser/radar detection, then by all means get the stealth Escort. " 3/17/08

Didnt you just tell marcx5 how inferior the 9500 was? Curious to what changed your mind?


"Escort cannot compete with the V1, IMO. Don't waste your money on that particular setup. This is comming from an owner of the previous generation Passport 8500 X50, which was highly rated when I bought it. It has let me down 3 times with regard to Laser. One of those times it did not even go off. The radar protection has been pretty good, overall.

I am going to buy a V1 and add a Blinder laser jammer when I get the opportunity. You really need a laser jammer to get the most protection available from Laser, which is much harder for the V1 or the Passport to pick up. If you are willing to spend that much on the Passport system, you should really look into the V1 and a Blinder jammer. 3/18/08

I have a Escort and my next one will be a V1. I am also considering a Blinder laser jammer for the front as I have received 2 tickets with the Escort only. " 2/22/08
I have to question how can someone with so many tickets really be trusted in his radar detector recomendations? You would think after so many tickets and so many months of research you would have finally made a decison or a purchase. Not too mention is it 2 tickets or 3? You kind of provided conflicting information. You speak so highly of blinder but correct me if i am wrong just haven't made a the financial investment?

I really wish you would not have attempted to make this a personal attack. Sure seems like a lot of misinformation or bs your are spewing the past couple of months. I am sure I probably missed a few. trying to sift through all your ramblings have gotten me quite confused and frankly bored. Maybe you are starting to realize what appears to work on paper doesn't work in real life. Unless of course the cops all lied about your previous encounters.

I would like to apologize to the others inthis thread for taking it so far off course. If any one has any questions in regard to laser feel free to ask.

[2Fast455]

Originally Posted by FSETH

Too funny. You have painted yourself in a corner by misunderstanding previous post and confusing yourself and now can't get out, but please feel free to enlighten us some more on the topic you seem to know so much about.

Actually those where questions posed to you? Guess sarcasism is alittle above your head. Should I clarify for you. You keep saying you are done but keep posting. By all means ask what you would like to know.

[FSETH]

Originally Posted by 2Fast455

I really hope no one takes any of your advice. Its funny how you claim I am so arrogant because I posy facts compared to your opinions. Lets look back on some of your earlier posts.

Originally Posted by FSETH
"I have that same detector and have gotten 3 tickets with laser guns in the time period I have owned it and yes it is mounted the correct way. Once it did not even go off. Trust me, the 8500 X50 will not protect you very well with regard to a laser gun. None of the detectors really can. It sounds like you have been lucky so far, but I wouldn't have too much faith in it if I were you with regard to laser protection. It has worked really well with regard to redar detection though." 4/21/08


"To each his own, but if I were going to buy just a detector it would be the V1 and if I were wanting more laser protection I would buy the V1 plus an additional jammer. If you are going to spend the money, might as well get the best protection and the 9500ci isn't the best. It may be the best combination detector/shifter, but not the best overall protection. " 4/7/08 and now for the flip flop


"I have been a V1 fan but am slowly comming around to the Escort 9500 beacause of the GPS feature. You can't really go wrong with the V1 or the Escort for radar detection. However, not to beat a dead horse, but a jammer is the only really good protection against laser guns. 4/21/08

I know which escort model you are talking about. The stealth mounted one with the 360 degrees of detection. Not the traditional window mounted unit. I was just giving my opinion on Escort as a company. I have lost faith in their products and will not purchase them in the future. Mike Valentine helped design one of their products years ago and said F'it I can make this better and has been doing so for years now. Sure, the box for the V1 looks out dated, but the technology inside is new (except GPS of the Escort). V1 keeps thir box style because it was a better design form the start with the arrows. Another reason it is unchanged is becasue V1 offers upgrades for older models when new technology is utilized to keep even older detectors relevant.

Look, the Escort 9500ci didn't test nearly as well as the other traditional jammers. You really can't go wrong with a V1 and a good quality stand alone jammer. It will cost less and be far more effective. At the end of the day, it is your money and choice. The Escort is less protection for more money, but if it makes you happy that the cop writing your ticket doesn't see your inferior laser/radar detection, then by all means get the stealth Escort. " 3/17/08

Didnt you just tell marcx5 how inferior the 9500 was? Curious to what changed your mind?


"Escort cannot compete with the V1, IMO. Don't waste your money on that particular setup. This is comming from an owner of the previous generation Passport 8500 X50, which was highly rated when I bought it. It has let me down 3 times with regard to Laser. One of those times it did not even go off. The radar protection has been pretty good, overall.

I am going to buy a V1 and add a Blinder laser jammer when I get the opportunity. You really need a laser jammer to get the most protection available from Laser, which is much harder for the V1 or the Passport to pick up. If you are willing to spend that much on the Passport system, you should really look into the V1 and a Blinder jammer. 3/18/08

I have a Escort and my next one will be a V1. I am also considering a Blinder laser jammer for the front as I have received 2 tickets with the Escort only. " 2/22/08
I have to question how can someone with so many tickets really be trusted in his radar detector recomendations? You would think after so many tickets and so many months of research you would have finally made a decison or a purchase. Not too mention is it 2 tickets or 3? You kind of provided conflicting information. You speak so highly of blinder but correct me if i am wrong just haven't made a the financial investment?

I really wish you would not have attempted to make this a personal attack. Sure seems like a lot of misinformation or bs your are spewing the past couple of months. I am sure I probably missed a few. trying to sift through all your ramblings have gotten me quite confused and frankly bored. Maybe you are starting to realize what appears to work on paper doesn't work in real life. Unless of course the cops all lied about your previous encounters.

I would like to apologize to the others inthis thread for taking it so far off course. If any one has any questions in regard to laser feel free to ask.

You are so desperate that you are dragging up old posts that have absolutely nothing to do with our disagreement. You are really reaching my friend.

I will admit that I was originally very negative on the new Passport and wanted a V1, but then some points that xwith5 made were valid and I realized that I was being hard on the Passport because really no stand alone, window mounted detector is really good at detecting laser guns. I can admit that, but as far as you and I are concerned you have not made any valid points and I have not changed my stance on any opinions with you in particular.

After reading any of your posts, why in the world would anyone have enough confidence in you to answer any legitimate questions about laser other than how long does it take for the beam to be redirected or whatever as you have stated 100 times. You have exhausted all of your knowledge on the situation already and that wasn't very much.

You obviously do not want to address the very clearly stated post above where I broke all of your misunderstandings and inaccuracies down. You have made ZERO valid points throughout this entire chain.