What is the best TV in motion option

[JCL]

Originally Posted by AVATT

Finally, I have to weigh in as well on the posts in which some become self appointed leo's and moral authorities. Some presume that those with these interfaces have them solely for the purpose of video in motion. They are incorrect. In my case it is for the purpose of being able to control the menus and view what I am calling up on the OEM screen. The rear entertainment system otherwise (which is for my small children) would have to be controlled from a passenger in the back actually viewing the rear screens (my children are to young to use the controls). It is for the convenience of viewing the menus if I am alone with my small children (while driving) that I chose this interface.

Moreover, I have to challenge these premises. It seems acceptable to some that you scroll thru endless screens in the I-drive for comfort, climate, NAV, entertainment and commo for minutes on end. Yet, viewing video is somehow different? All of these are distractions. That is why the safe and effective driver utilizes a scan technique which allows for viewing information- speed, fuel and yes the I-drive standard functions inside the cabin with the road and environment outside the cabin.

I have been to numerous safety courses, both auto and aviation and am trained in C3RM (Crew/cockpit/Cabin resource management as well as licensed to practice law in Illinois so I am fully aware of the law and the attendant risks and get a little incensed at those who feel the need to pontificate on the law and the presumed behavior or motivations of others.

While I am not incensed at your pontifications, I have a question. Why would you assume that those of us who think vehicles (especially BMWs) are for driving, and who think that TV in motion is a really dumb idea, would think that it is safe to play with a nav screen or iDrive or tend to the video programming of children in the back seat while driving? Of course they are all distractions, but at least one of these activities is illegal in many jurisdictions. Hopefully we will soon come out of the era of vehicles being configured as living rooms, media rooms, and babysitters. Until then, stay safe.

[Muz]

I have the rear DVD system .. its getting the TV there that would interest me so folks in the back can watch that all the time

[Texas5]

Originally Posted by JCL

... but at least one of these activities is illegal in many jurisdictions. Hopefully we will soon come out of the era of vehicles being configured as living rooms, media rooms, and babysitters. Until then, stay safe.

Exceeding the speed limit is illegal as well (and would be considered 'unsafe' in most situations). Who here can claim they never do that?

[JCL]

Originally Posted by Texas5

Exceeding the speed limit is illegal as well (and would be considered 'unsafe' in most situations). Who here can claim they never do that?

Hmmm, using one illegal activity to rationalize another. Seems like an obvious logical fallacy to me. Yes, I have exceeded the speed limit myself. Guilty. Last ticket was five years ago, I deserved the ticket, and there it is.

But isn't this justification a little bit like not wearing your seatbelt, or not using turn signals, or not using your lights when driving at night, or texting while driving, with any or all of the above committed while speeding? After all, if you are speeding anyway, why does it matter if you are doing other illegal or unsafe activities? The logic sort of falls apart at this point.

[Tom G.]

Originally Posted by AVATT

A slight correction to my earlier post. The VehicleDock from NAV-TV will allow for audio and video on the OEM screen. However, while you can view the Ipod menus on the OEM screen with the VehicleDock, you can only control and scroll thru the menus via the VehicleDock remote control or the Ipod itself, NOT via the I-Drive controls. (Currently NAV-TV only has a system to allow for the I-drive controls to control the Ipod for the Rover and MB vehicles). The BMW56CAN will allow you to use the I-Drive controls (and steering wheel buttons) to move between the various new external sources (up to 3 external sources plus a new backup camera). In my case to call up the FLIR, IPOD or Rear Entertainment System.

However, there is a system from Denision which allows you to use the I-drive controls to actually control the IPOD and its menus.

You need the Denision Gateway 500

Dension: iPod + USB

and the Denision AVR

Dension: Video

The vehicleDock is $300, the Denision system is aprox $1,000 and there is a 3rd alternative for $40. See:

PIE Precision Interface Electronics Online Store - AUDIO VIDEO OUTPUT iPod Adaptor

However, this 3rd option will only allow for control via the IPOD. In addition, the OEM screen will remain blank while playing audio and will remain blank while scrolling thru the Ipod menus until actually playing a video. However it is obviously a far cheaper option. None of the above prices include installation.

Finally, I have to weigh in as well on the posts in which some become self appointed leo's and moral authorities. Some presume that those with these interfaces have them solely for the purpose of video in motion. They are incorrect. In my case it is for the purpose of being able to control the menus and view what I am calling up on the OEM screen. The rear entertainment system otherwise (which is for my small children) would have to be controlled from a passenger in the back actually viewing the rear screens (my children are to young to use the controls). It is for the convenience of viewing the menus if I am alone with my small children (while driving) that I chose this interface.

Moreover, I have to challenge these premises. It seems acceptable to some that you scroll thru endless screens in the I-drive for comfort, climate, NAV, entertainment and commo for minutes on end. Yet, viewing video is somehow different? All of these are distractions. That is why the safe and effective driver utilizes a scan technique which allows for viewing information- speed, fuel and yes the I-drive standard functions inside the cabin with the road and environment outside the cabin.

I have been to numerous safety courses, both auto and aviation and am trained in C3RM (Crew/cockpit/Cabin resource management as well as licensed to practice law in Illinois so I am fully aware of the law and the attendant risks and get a little incensed at those who feel the need to pontificate on the law and the presumed behavior or motivations of others.

There's also the Dietz interfaces which use the TV tuner spot as a 2nd A/V input, which allows the right hand OCB display to still be viewed when video is in progress.

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by AVATT

Some presume that those with these interfaces have them solely for the purpose of video in motion.

It might have something to do with the post starting the thread consisting of the single sentence:

"i have just purchased a 09/10 xdrive35d and want to know the best option for tv in motion."

[Texas5]

Originally Posted by JCL

Hmmm, using one illegal activity to rationalize another. Seems like an obvious logical fallacy to me. Yes, I have exceeded the speed limit myself. Guilty. Last ticket was five years ago, I deserved the ticket, and there it is.

But isn't this justification a little bit like not wearing your seatbelt, or not using turn signals, or not using your lights when driving at night, or texting while driving, with any or all of the above committed while speeding? After all, if you are speeding anyway, why does it matter if you are doing other illegal or unsafe activities? The logic sort of falls apart at this point.

Wasn't rationalizing anything. Because it may be illegal, you were distiguishing the OP's request from the many potentially unsafe, but legal, activities that we all do in our vehicles. I simply provided a counter example to refute that line of thinking.

[JCL]

Originally Posted by Texas5

Wasn't rationalizing anything. Because it may be illegal, you were distiguishing the OP's request from the many potentially unsafe, but legal, activities that we all do in our vehicles. I simply provided a counter example to refute that line of thinking.

OK, fair enough, I'll leave off the comment about it being illegal. That really wasn't my main point, which was more to do with the silliness of installing driver distractions. Having TV or video, or the controls for the kid's TV or video, in the line of sight of the driver just seems like a really dumb idea, and the fact that it may or may not be illegal is incidental. Defeating lockouts installed by the manufacturer to protect not only the driver and his passengers, but more importantly, other drivers on the road, just seems wrong. Anyway, I fixed my posts

Originally Posted by JCL (modified)

But isn't this justification a little bit like not wearing your seatbelt, or not using turn signals, or not using your lights when driving at night, or texting while driving, with any or all of the above committed while speeding? After all, if you are speeding anyway, why does it matter if you are doing other unsafe activities? The logic sort of falls apart at this point.

Originally Posted by JCL (modified)

While I am not incensed at your pontifications, I have a question. Why would you assume that those of us who think vehicles (especially BMWs) are for driving, and who think that TV in motion is a really dumb idea, would think that it is safe to play with a nav screen or iDrive or tend to the video programming of children in the back seat while driving? Of course they are all distractions. Hopefully we will soon come out of the era of vehicles being configured as living rooms, media rooms, and babysitters. Until then, stay safe

[FSETH]

Originally Posted by JCL

Best response to this question (copied from another site):

Cut off the seat belts, and remove the airbags. Then, the TV will work automatically while driving. (And if you get the windshield and all side windows tinted, the screen reflections will be reduced, improving the viewing experience.) Yes, it is technically possible. Yes, offenders should be prosecuted.

I agree with this 100%. The last thing I need is someone trying to change the TV settings because their kids are screaming that they have seen this episode of the Wiggles already while they are also talking on their cell phone and the GPS is barking out orders on the road at the same time as me.

[alewifebp]

I'm personally not interested in TV in motion. Rather, I'd just like to play video from my iPod Touch on my iDrive screen while at rest. I don't have the DVD changer or premium audio, but I do have the iPod kit. Would this $40 option allow me to do that somehow?