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Old 03-29-2010, 06:56 PM
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Either way, this kind of sucks. It will be OK for me, because I am on the east coast. It will be a royal pain for those near the boarder of the two DVDs. Going to a single disk is one of the major reasons why I upgraded to the single-disk MKIV. I got tired of driving across map disk regions.
The CD maps tended to have a reasonable amount of overlap in full coverage (150 miles or more) and had major roads for out-of-area regions.

I don't know why there would need to be 2 discs, as the old NAVTEQ map was well under the single layer capacity of a DVD. It would be bizarre if the MK IV drive can't read double layer discs. And the latest TomTom TeleAtlas North America map is less than 2GB unpacked. However, the TomTom and the MK IV use a different data format, so that isn't entirely a fair comparison.
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Old 03-30-2010, 12:48 AM
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Yeah makes little sense given the last nav update (v32) provided for double layer functionality you'd think they'd use it.

The North America disk set covers all of Canada, USA, and Mexico. Maybe they really increased the database massively?

Correction: v31 introduced double layer functionality.

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Here's an explanation I read on an M5 Forum from a guy who works at a dealership.



I wonder if the complete package is part number 65.90-2 158 161, but one of the individual DVDs is part number 65.90-2 158 157. Who knows, until we can lay hands on one.

Either way, this kind of sucks. It will be OK for me, because I am on the east coast. It will be a royal pain for those near the boarder of the two DVDs. Going to a single disk is one of the major reasons why I upgraded to the single-disk MKIV. I got tired of driving across map disk regions.

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Old 03-30-2010, 01:03 AM
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Yeah makes little sense given the last nav update (v32) provided for double layer functionality you'd think they'd use it.
It is probable that most of the MK IV computers are running older software. The BMW dealer instructions for the software update disc say "only upgrade in the event of a customer complaint". It isn't something that's done as part of a scheduled service visit, either.

So, you'd get people bringing in their cars saying that the navigation isn't working. Best case, people would be paying $100+ in out-of-pocket labor expense for the update (I've never found a dealer that would charge less than 1 hour for a paid service visit, though a number of dealers will "freebie" stuff like light bulb changes, NAV software updates - for MK IV cars only, updating the CCC version takes hours). Worst case, a few customers will be told that their NAV computer is broken and they need a new one. Either by a dealer who didn't hear about maps requiring V32, or by an unscrupulous dealer.

Once TeleAtlas settles in as the regular BMW map provider, maybe they'll include a coupon for a software update at the dealer or even supply the V32 update as part of the map package - it's only $10 or so from the dealer, anyway. But that will probably depend on how much feedback they get from customers who don't want to swap map discs back and forth.
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Here's an explanation I read on an M5 Forum from a guy who works at a dealership.

"For DVD high there are two discs in the pacakage. One is for western US and all of Canada 2nd one is eastern US and all of Canada."


I wonder if the complete package is part number 65.90-2 158 161, but one of the individual DVDs is part number 65.90-2 158 157. Who knows, until we can lay hands on one.

Either way, this kind of sucks. It will be OK for me, because I am on the east coast. It will be a royal pain for those near the boarder of the two DVDs. Going to a single disk is one of the major reasons why I upgraded to the single-disk MKIV. I got tired of driving across map disk regions.

Can anyone confirm this? What is thew cost difference between buying both and buying only 1 DVD?
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Can anyone confirm this? What is thew cost difference between buying both and buying only 1 DVD?
I think that it is generally confirmed that they come in a 2-disk package now. I have not seen anything to indicate that BMW is offering the disks separately. Now, I would expect to see them split on eBay for a huge savings to us DVD buyers.

Here is a post that lists the regions.
http://www.xoutpost.com/728424-post11.html
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So what is the right part # then of the 2 disc set? I see 2 different part #s listed in these threads (would rather order it from the dealer)
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So what is the right part # then of the 2 disc set? I see 2 different part #s listed in these threads (would rather order it from the dealer)
I don't know - I don't have a set in hand that I know works on my car.

However... if you are going to the dealer's parts counter, it is almost always better to give them the last 7 of your VIN and tell them what you need, and let them look up the part number. That way, if it isn't correct, it is their fault and they should take it back. If you just give them a part number, you'll probably get the "no refunds / exchanges on electrical or special order parts" routine if it isn't the right part.

Of course, this doesn't work for oddball parts they can't find, but for a common part like a map update, this should be the way to go.
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I just got my new CCC unit on Monday (finally BMWNA,) along with the new Tele Atlas DVD-ROM disc's. Two disks, with the same part number, just divided by east coast & west coast (along with Canada and Mexico on the WC disc.)

The system would not read the disc immedately and required a 5 minute shutdown to reboot and "update" the system (as per the what the screen said to do.)

I see no change between what my older CCC (NavTeq) had/displayed compared to the Tele Atlas DVD/CCC.

I will update everyone if I see any significant change.
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The system would not read the disc immedately and required a 5 minute shutdown to reboot and "update" the system (as per the what the screen said to do.)
Standard when changing map discs

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I see no change between what my older CCC (NavTeq) had/displayed compared to the Tele Atlas DVD/CCC.
Here's how to check for changes:

1. New Streets
Drive to an area that was not mapped on the old NavTeq disc (tip: don't use the nav to get you there because the street won't exist on the nav)

And see if it is mapped on the new TeleAtlas disc

Tip: due to the size of the USA, I you may need a few tankfuls of gas and a few years of your time to verify the entire country :-)

2. Changes in Street Names
Look up a street where you know the street name was wrong and compare between discs

3. Changes in POIs
Look up a POI that you know was missing on the NavTeq disc and see if it exists on the TeleAtlas disc

I think if you're read this far you'll understand how dificult it can be to compare maps, without any way of checking the disc data content

Eg: if you live in New York City, how would you ever notice how many roads change in Texas, or Seattle, etc?

HOWEVER you can check POIs.
Compare POI file sizes.
When you see a difference, use my POI Extractor to extract all POIs from each disc to excel sheets. Then compare lists and see which map has the most POIs.
Whether the POIs are correct or not you can only determine by either contacting each POI or comparing with some other source. Although how would you know the other source is correct?
Look up POIs and compare
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When you see a difference, use my POI Extractor to extract all POIs from each disc to excel sheets. .............
Where can I find this POI Extractor?
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