All of these problems you list (and that I have complained about) would be fixed by the simple elimnination of profit. The problems with all of those areas relate to greed and corruption. Eliminate the profit being made, and you will eliminate the corruption. Politicians will do the right thing if there is no motive to do the wrong thing. It really is that simple.

And again, you fail to list a single country whose health care system you like and which gets good results. If you can't name a single country as an example out of about 200 countries on the planet, then your argument has zero credibility.

Remember kids, there is no Utopia. :)

Yes. socialism really is.

Right. If you say so. :rofl:

Sure there is!

"From each, according to his ability, to each, according to his needs!"

Profit=pure evil. :rofl:

Profiting from someone else's misery by denying them necessary health care is indeed evil, and certainly is not something that is funny. :rolleyes:

As opposed to stealing the profit of someone's hard work?

You need to read Atlas Shrugged. Seriously.

Why do you not have a problem with stealing the profit from a fireman's hard work?

Since you obviously hate socialism, I'm sure you think the fire department should be privatized...right? After all, without someone making profit, I'm sure the wait times to get a fire put out are terrible and productivity must be awful...right? What motive does a fireman have to hurry to put out a fire? He just makes the same salary no matter what. Terrible system...right?

Perhaps we should handle the fire department the same way we handle health care. Home owners could get some kind of "fire insurance" which will assure them coverage by the fire department. That way if they have a fire, they can call the fire deparment and get service. Of course the fire department would be privatized and would charge to put out a fire. If you couldn't afford the insurance, then you are a lazy bum who doesn't deserve to have your fire put out. Think of all the money that could be made by these private fire departments. Firemen would make so much more money, and would be much better at their job since they would have a profit motive....right? (probably not, but the companies they worked for would have a profit motive at least)

Think of all the money the government would save. We would pay lower taxes since they wouldn't have to fund all these fire departments. Even if the government had some sort of social welfare program to provide coverage to poor and/or elderly people, it would still cost less than funding a fire department in each town.

Or do you think we should keep stealing the profits from these firemen and keep the current socialized system of government run fire departments???

A
or

B

So what you are saying here is that given the choice between "A" or "B", you'd rather "A" exist and people be allowed to make a profit. Well, then you must be happy as that is the current system.

I happen to strongly disagree. I'd rather people get their necessary health care and "B" exist.

I wish we had socialized medicine, then I could wait 9 months to get a 6 month checkup..it would rock :rofl:

Eric, please check your refridgerator, as your red herrings are starting to stink.

Are you seriously trying to compare the need for first responders with your desire for socialized healthcare?

If your house is burning down, or someone breaks into your house, that may be your fault. If you get sick/injured, that may or may not be your fault - it doesn't really matter.

The first responders are a scoietal necessity because they prevent the innocent from being injured (in the large sense - not in the health sense). If your house is burning, why should your neighbors' house burn? They're innocent. If your house gets broken in to, shouldn't your neighbors enjoy the protection of the police (who are all corrupt, as you say)? This is why the government does, and should provide first responder services. To protect the innocent.

Now, say you get sick/injured. Who's harmed by this? You are, of course. Your family, certainly (assuming you have any connection to them). Possibly your friends. But how are their lives impacted by your situation? Are they going to get sick/injured? Ah, no, they're not. You can go down the road of psychological injury, but that's just another red herring.

There is no compelling need for socialized medicine. The government exists, in part, to provide for the common defense. Another way of putting this is to protect the innocent. Socialized healthcare has nothing to do with this.

As to your point about denying health care being evil - I'm quite certain you'd feel completely differently if you were a doctor, and you were being told you had to work for free.

You actually think that socialized medicine will remove any motivation for people to behave innapropriately. So why are all cops "corrupt," according to you? Another government service - what motivation do they have?