Actually they can . They(they being the emergency room) can screen you and depending on the urgency of the condition they can recommend alternate services. They can certainly deny treatment if you are seeking what the hospital determines is an elective treatment or procedure.

However for the most part you will recieve treatment from the hospital and the on call physician. Any physician who takes hospital call provides their fair share of "charity" care. Some physicians ( plastic surgeons for example) can provide little charity care by not participating in medicare/medicaid or even traditional insurance and just flourish by cash business.

I wasn't talking about an elective procdure like having a mole removed. When I walked into the emergency room with a broken arm and didn't have insurance they didn't turn me away. They fixed my arm and I made arrangements to pay.

:rolleyes:

Right back at 'cha.

I notice you never factor in population, lifestyle, and regulation. Interesting.

Of course, to people like you, you can directly compare anything, from any period. It's all completely comparable.

Marxist healthcare isn't the way to go. You don't believe it. Not shocking. Like I've said before - I truly hope you never have to believe me, because that would mean we've never gone down that nightmare road to marxist healthcare. If we do go down that road, you'll believe me within five years. Our healthcare system will be a completely broken, costly (yes, more than now), corrupt nightmare. But hey, you'll be happy because it's "free." :rolleyes:

I asked this before and others have refused to answer this question, but if this is your opinion, name a country (any country in the entire world) that you think has an excellent health care system.

That is not true. If you are dying (i.e. bleeding to death), then they will stop the bleeding. But they will do the minimum for you to survive.

But if you have some kind of illness or disease, they will NOT treat you for that. If you have cancer and cannot afford to pay for treatment, you will die. The same goes for any other disease that can be fatal. They will show you the door.


I'm shocked that nobody has called me to task here on what really is the problem with the US health care system. It's not that we don't provide excellent care....we most certainly do. The reason our statistics are so awful is that only those with excellent health plans or lots of money have access to the excellent health care. For everyone else, the care is very substandard.

I would bet that if you revised our statistics (posted above) to only include those with top-notch insurance coverage, the numbers would rise dramatically and would be very similar to the other countries listed.

The only area I can think of that we do lag behind the other countries is the area of nutrition. For example, you'll notice on the graphs I posted above that Japan actually has fewer doctors per capita than any of the other countries, yet they lead all the countries listed in the vital statistics. That is because their health care system is very much based on nutrition and holistic treatment. People in Japan simply do not get sick as often as in the other countries.

In case you all fail to realize this, it is called a "health care system", not a "medical treatment system". So when you say that I did not compare "lifestyle", I'm sorry but lifestyle is most certainly part of the health care system, not some external factor. If people are living an unhealthy lifestyle, then the health care system is a failure. Part of having a good health care system is educating people about nutrition and how to take preventative measures against common illness and disease.

Thanks Eric. It takes a real man to admit that the nation has health crises, pride thing aside.

I know if I get sick without Med. Ins. I am totally f%^&#. If I have an option, I'd rather have that happen many other countries other than mine.

Majorities of physicians aren't making the money they used to make, sorry no data... It is really messed up. Where's the money going?

I don't think the director has the best solution to the problems though, very debatable.

"A real man?" :rofl:

Thanks, Jon. I needed a laugh this morning!

And, in case you missed it, I'm not saying our system is perfect - just better than marxist healthcare.

I'd love to see socialized medicine in the US, especially with all the illegal immigrants (millions a year) that should be an awesome tax burden. And judging by how well the government is with social security...they could totally run socialized medicine.

BTW, costs would go down if our court system didn't allow you to nickel and dime doctors with insane cases. It just isn't as simple as 'hey fix this issue and it would all be good'

Wagner, illegals would compound the problem. Check most large innercity ER's and they are full of them. Knowing how our politicians are, they would allow illegals to have access to free healthcare.

Eric, I still believe that the US has one of the best healthcare systems in the world. You want to know why? Its because they can at least make money and use it for better equipment, staff, facilities.