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Old 03-22-2020, 05:34 PM
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Let's see if the New Yorkers take notice.
Not going to hold my breath. Only place I've ever been where people seemed to pride themselves on pissing other people off. Almost witnessed a fight just getting off the plane.
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Old 03-23-2020, 01:16 AM
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Addressing residents ignoring official orders by congregating outside, Cuomo said Sunday: 'This is just a mistake. It's a mistake. It's insensitive, it's arrogant, it's self-destructive, it's disrespectful to other people, and it has to stop. It has to stop now.'

Very powerful message. Let's see if the New Yorkers take notice.
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Old 03-23-2020, 01:06 PM
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That's where I got the numbers i referenced.



I believe that I added (USA) or (Italy), et3 after numbers and percentages, but if not then I apologize for not being clear.

But I do want some people to understand that the USA numbers arenfrom the CDC and where possible I have provided links or searchable data and people's feelings mean nothing when facts are used.

Now about the Chinese coronavirus.... You will see it listed that way at first solely due to standard naming conventions but since China has publicly announced that the United States spread the virus in Wuhan to discredit their BS4 facility (known as an attempted genocide accusation) something that should piss off any American solely for that BS but they should not get upset over the tit-for-tat (aka diplomacy) reminder of where it came from unless Americans would rather turn this into a straight up pissing match with China till we fight a war.
I don't know about anyone else but I have fought in almost every single conflict since Just Cause in 89 till I got my desk job and assignment to Ft. Living room in 2013 and I'm tired, but if need be I'll be back to slitting throats but I'll have to drive there cause screw walking anymore!!!
I only refuse to accept that people would rather forgo Trump's style of "diplomacy" and risk war just because he is unliked except by most muslim countries because as they say "he will deal fair" in Arabic it is said "over the camel's nose".

I do agree about there being racist dicks out there and each of my kids were born abroad Panama, Philippines and Saudi Arabia so I know about being around racist dicks and being the minority but I don't believe we must pretzel our words or logic just to keep folks from having to be grabbed by their stacking swivel for being little twatwaffles.


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I intended to delete the portion about CDC as I saw your reference after I wrote it. That's a oopsie.

Diplomacy is not a tit-for-tat process nor are emotional responses constructive, that's just point and counterpoint and then the session ends with agree to disagree at best. More often than not the relationship is further compromised and tension is increased rather than eased.

IMO the statement from China should have been addressed separately rather than calling calling it the China virus. Leaders should be aware, have more common sense understanding, of the potential of some interpreting the label as racist which divides rather than unites. Or that it will be seen by some as an endorsement that their racism is justified or emboldened to act upon.

White house updates should be without spins, sidebars and emotional outbursts, We need firm dates and numbers to reduce the confusion and fear. The presenters don't even agree. At least start on time. Yesterday it started and hour late. That is inconsiderate and looks like there is no sense of urgency. Not even an apology or explanation at to why the delay. And to think it was the time, or at any time funny, to learn Romney is self quarantined and smile and say "gee that's too bad"? That lack of empathy, though just another instance, is startling. On the other hand, it was the best White house conference so far, a little better than terrible and closer to useful.
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Old 03-23-2020, 10:15 PM
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I intended to delete the portion about CDC as I saw your reference after I wrote it. That's a oopsie.



Diplomacy is not a tit-for-tat process nor are emotional responses constructive, that's just point and counterpoint and then the session ends with agree to disagree at best. More often than not the relationship is further compromised and tension is increased rather than eased.



IMO the statement from China should have been addressed separately rather than calling calling it the China virus. Leaders should be aware, have more common sense understanding, of the potential of some interpreting the label as racist which divides rather than unites. Or that it will be seen by some as an endorsement that their racism is justified or emboldened to act upon.



White house updates should be without spins, sidebars and emotional outbursts, We need firm dates and numbers to reduce the confusion and fear. The presenters don't even agree. At least start on time. Yesterday it started and hour late. That is inconsiderate and looks like there is no sense of urgency. Not even an apology or explanation at to why the delay. And to think it was the time, or at any time funny, to learn Romney is self quarantined and smile and say "gee that's too bad"? That lack of empathy, though just another instance, is startling. On the other hand, it was the best White house conference so far, a little better than terrible and closer to useful.
NO worries, I figured that out later on about the CDC.

As for diplomacy I can tell you that it most certainly is tit-for-tat as that's how countries basically say what would happen if such and such happened (basic generalization) I have at times over my life while in and out of the military worked at the White House (Clinton) DSSS (G. W. Bush) & Department of State Bureau of Political/Military Affairs (Obama) and my experience is that diplomacy is nothing more than saying "Nice doggy" all while getting a bigger stick.

I know that you didn't mean it that way (surely) that reporters time is more valuable than the leader of the free world and he should drop everything to keep to a schedule....

In the military and most places if you're on time you are late, but even the military has the expression (If the General wears his underwear outside his pants he's not wrong) i.e. If it's not illegal then the one who makes the rules.... makes the rules.

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As for the flu in 2019 (USA only)

There were 23,000 deaths in the USA and 390,000 confirmed hospitalizations for the flu in the USA making the mortality rate for Influenza A (H1N1) a staggering 5.89%



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Old 03-22-2020, 07:42 AM
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Also please point out any errors glaring or otherwise so that I may fix them or provide data to explain if needed.
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You are wrong to say this virus is less lethal than "regular flu". It is killing at a rate 20 to 30 times more rapidly than all the other flu types combined.

Please do not spread misinformation around.

This virus has killed younger people, healthy people in the 30s and their 40s as well. Youth is not guarantee of a free pass if you contract it.

In Italy, as of this week, of the people infected and has had a resulting end to their illness, over 40% are dead because of it.

How are you gonna protect the older generation of this country with your attitude? Just remember, we also have a very large and aging population.

You might think this is no small matter, but the fact is this virus kills indiscriminately. It transmits easily. There are no known cure as of today.

So yeah, keep downplaying the severity of the situation, keep playing with your numbers.

I'm not gonna bother to spend the rest of my Sunday arguing if you've already made up your mind not to care.
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Old 03-22-2020, 11:40 AM
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Current worldwide is 4.29% mortality rate. That's total deaths ÷ by total cases x 100. Many argue numbers should be calculated by dividing deaths by total resolved cases (recoveries + deaths) which would put the figure around 12% currently. US is currently at 1.29% using total cases but it's too early to tell as numbers are going to start their way up the curve. Can't use total resolved cases yet for US as there is not enough data. Using current figures would put mortality rate at 66% which is obviously incorrect.

This does appear to have a higher mortality rate than the annual flu if the numbers continue to trend.
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Ok, I have tried to be civil and will do so to a point.
But.....

I AM NOT PLAYING WITH THE NUMBERS!!

I posted links directly to the CDC and did the math even showing the "work" these two actions are proof that I am dealing in facts and so far you have said that I was... a) wrong, b) lying.

I asked you to point out where I was mistaken so that I could correct it or provide facts to futher prove what I said, you have done neither. I have never said it's not bad only that by empirical evidence shows people need to relax especially with a mortality rate lower than the annual flu season (that's not over yet) in the USA and even gave a link to why Italy has such high numbers and if you would have checked you would have seen Italy's statement saying that so far 12% of the deaths listed as Chinese coronavirus have been found to be the actual cause of death and the other 88% were due to 1, 2, and sometimes 3 underlying health problems and maybe only peripherally related.

If I am wrong in using the CDC and basic math please list examples (quote function works wonders) and I will correct it if wrong, but if it is that you just don't agree with the facts state so, but do not insinuate that I am lying.



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Me? I was certainly not saying you are wrong or lying and hope you don't think I was. You are using the CDC's website and doing the math. It's correct. I am using (as posted much earlier in this thread) https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ for my numbers using the same formula you were. This site updates almost live which is why I use it. CDC seems to update every few days or so. I was simply posting the current numbers from the source I used to show that it appears the coronavirus is more lethal than the annual flu. Sorry if that was misconstrued.

Current #'s:

Worldwide - 13699 deaths / 321268 total cases x100 = 4.264% mortality rate
US - 349 deaths / 29214 total cases x100 = 1.194% mortality rate

Edit: Nevermind, after reading Maruzo's post above mine you were probably responding to him. Sorry.
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