Nice info BC, thanks! You’re right about the steering input on the 4.6, you get good road feel and it turns great. I’m pretty happy with my 4.6 in stock form, I don’t really push it that hard. It’s a blast to drive and a guilty pleasure for me over the weekends.

But the 2013 X5M with low miles and blue with white leather. That’s my next dream suv.

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Covid-19 is the name the experts are using. I’m ok with it. If you are not, that’s ok too. Agree to disagree. At the end of the day it’s just a virus, whatever u call it won’t change an iota of its ability to kill. Might make some of you feel good though. To that I say, good for you, but count me out. I like to think I’m more evolved to resort to name calling like a 9 year old.

By the way, wasn’t there an outbreak of the swine flu 10 years back that started in some us based pig farms?

Should we call it the “American pig flu” instead of H1N1 then? Since the outbreak happened in the states?

How would that make some of us here feel?

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No @bc, I would love if the official name was covid-19. That is the disease not the virus’ official name is sars-cov-2 which was called the w virus or the ch wh virus by *literally * everybody until they named the disease. They apparently overlooked giving a human friendly alias to the virus itself.

*thats* is the problem there is no other alias. Any reference to the virus as the disease is incorrect any reference as coronavirus is likewise incorrect. That’s the make not the model.

The “powers that be” [most likely to be offended] should have come up with a damned alias rather than only producing the scientific name.

I’ll call it whatever they want to call it. Jump off a cliff like a lemming virus is fine with me, they just never did. It has two aliases and one scientific name.

I find virtually all forms of PC talk insulting to anybody’s intelligence he is a perfect couple of examples:

I reporter is talking about black people in Africa and is so afraid of getting fired not using political correct speech she calls them African America.

Second version to point out the absurdity of the term is when Charlize Theron hosted SNL and they used the literally correct but asinine label for her of “African American”; see how clueless it is? It’s not less clueless when the person is Black it’s just more PC.

There is no reason for people to be offended there really isn’t. I’m not saying they aren’t. They have been programmed from birth to be internally racist. (You need some seed of racism to even pick out the differences I apparently missed that week in school or I had a better school that taught there is no such thing as “race” as it’s used today. There is heritage and generic lineage.

So: back to facts: cv19 not the virus coronavirus not the virus wh virus is “not allowed” and sars-cov-2 is a pain in the ass.

I guess “the virus formerly known as Wuhan virus” won’t cut it as PC either.

Find something important to concern ones self with. Why anybody would take offense at these sort of things an deranged lunatics like the case from above should be in a small cell for the rest of their lives.

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No expert worth listening to refers to the virus by the name of the disease there is a distinct difference such as HIV the virus that causes AIDS.

Not all people that get infected by the virus will catch the disease that is caused by the virus so there needs to be a distinction or (just as right now) there is confusion.

If swine flu originated in a particular town near where I lived I would northeast absolutely ok with using a centurys old tradition that is logical and easy to understand even if; like in the case of the Spanish flu it was inadvertently attributed to Spain because they Reported it the most.

*some* of us would be offended by the logical naming of a virus I suppose that’s means they will be offended also by logic.

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That is from cdc.gov.

From Washington Post at the END of January:

There are literally 1000s of examples. The phrase did not originate in the orange to English dictionary. It’s very sad that somehow that’s what many people think. That fact (attributed to 45) is literally exactly what he referred to as the “democratic hoax” and sadly very accurate.

Dennis Miller said a brilliant thing about racism: “it’s just being lazy: get to know somebody and discover a hundred reasons not the color of their skin to hate them”. Reminds me of blacks playing the race cars when it doesn’t apply. Blacks do not get an “unlimited free pass “ to be an asshole without being called on it and I’m glad that some black people of high regard have pointed this out. Those people are diluting the actual hate it helps nobody.

So going in circles here because it has not set in:

As far as I’m aware there are only two aliases for the virus that causes COVID-19 and one was perfectly ok for all forms of media to use until the end of January.

I will be very kind and use the term “silly” to come up with a non descriptive alias once a descriptive one has been used by tens of thousands of reporters reaching billions of people.

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Covid-19, Corona virus and virus to the general public all mean the same thing, the disease. I don't know why anybody but the scientists care about the name of the virus. What name for the virus was established by reporters?

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BC, guys like you and I, should not even be arguing this! The point is moot, right?

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I know that to the uninformed public they interchange them at if synonymous. They are not. It’s like calling an X5 “the BMW “ and expecting all people to just know that they mean x5.

Model = sars-cov-2
Make= coronavirus

Ill informed people is a significant thorn in my side.

here is another car based analogy:

A screw is a bad thing that can kill a tire. A hole is the problem the tire has.

Calling the screw and the hole the same thing is exactly what calling the virus covid-19 is.

It’s horribly imprecise and inaccurate.

I don’t care what name is used but don’t use the same wrong one for everything. Yes it is important especially because there is a tremendous amount of inaccurate data in the USA tracking of cv-19, throwing out considerable confusion to everybody seems to be CDCs primary goal this time around (was not the case with sars-cov-1 (in 2003 they of course didn’t have the 1)

The more fuzzy the truth the less accurate people are informed the more people will just act like lemmings and stop thinking. So yes, it’s important.



Here is a fantastic example of cherry picked data and I blame primarily the CDC.

That chart is the daily death rate from cv-19 in 42 countries. There is no possible way that honest data will produce only ONE country who’s tail end of an epidemic does not follow *every virus ever*.

It’s basically and “open and shut case” that somebody for some reason wants to extend how long the epidemic (using the word vs pandemic to include only USA) lasts.

Now, it is slightly possible that the stay at home and social distancing and the masks actually are harmful as the CDC said back in January. I know for certain wearing the mask is detrimental to my health and immune system. It might reduce the chance I catch the thing by 1/3 but greatly increases the odds I get more sick if the germ still gets me.

We need to drop the masks as soon as possible. 100s of millions of people are depressing their immune systems with the masks and stay at home.

It’s very simple common sense and logic: everybody knows that the foundation of a healthy body and healthy immune system is activity!

Most people know that small exposure to germs is how we exercise our immune system. I highly doubt the current theory of asymptotic cv-19 is accurate (went through a course of sickness and just didn’t realize it). What is ∞ more likely is that they were exposed to it but because their body has been in the sun has plenty of vitamin D, oops “vitamin D” (hope somebody gets that), young enough to have a high zinc level in their blood, they body says FU CV and took it out.

This is virus 101. Many many more people are exposed to the flu virus and “magically” don’t get sick.

There are cv-19 studies going on right now that will show some concepts similar to this be true.

I really hope “they” don’t find a vaccine but solid effective treatment unless it’s like polio where the vaccine tricks the body to build antibodies and blocks the virus from taking root.

You (the reader) and every single (and I suppose married) person on earth hopes I am correct in predicting that this sars virus will burg itself out like the last one.

sars “the prequel “ didn’t kick us in the nuts hard enough to be taken seriously and hopefully “they” will learn enough from “sars the sequel” that we can get on top of sars “Armageddon “ boxed set. Prophecy indicates cv19 is a drop of water to an ocean of what will eventually happen. and It’s not CDC that predicted it.

All signs are and have been pointing to me being correct since feb or March that “how it happens in the countries that for it first” expect similar here.

USA other than the people on average being a shit ton more arrogant than most of the world (a couple European nations give us a run for our money), are no different; race is a made up notion they are not significantly different from a generic makeup and will almost certainly be very similar in the end run of how the virus waxes and wanes.

I said In January and holds true today. Covid 19 as a phenomenon is *mostky hyoe* yes you heard me correctly.

Yes it’s real, yes it’s tragic, no it could not be avoided and if anybody tells you a NET single human life was saved by masks or house arrest they pulled that concept out of there ass, there is ZERO facts to back that up. (Just as there are zero facts to back up the opposite argument).

I would have taken the not spend $6T on not much more than a guess as to which route to take.

China was already getting cv very much under control as an example of hitting peak and recovering before we over reacted and killed the worlds economy and 1/4 of everybody’s jobs.

The silver lining is this:

Cv will not kill the American spirit even as it kills 30x as many as 911, we need our asses kicked every couple of decades to put us in our place.

https://youtu.be/uwofPtA2ito

“I could use a good ass kicking”

Back to silver lining:

As bad as cv is, not only will we survive we will be much stronger because of it.

A lot of mission critical products that we exclusively get from a single source we can’t trust will be diversified so when sars-cv-3 comes to kick our ass we won’t be caught bent over with a sign over our “permanent smile” saying “insert here”.

In addition China will not recover as quickly as the USA in large part do to the fact that they have the most to lose since they have the majority of the companies that will split up to other countries.

China was set to overtake USA GDP within the next five years. That may have just been punted 15-20 years down the road because the USA will recovers more quickly than China absolutely.

Back to @bc: consider how meticulous you are with your car maintenance: how much smoother do things operate because you know what a ft·lb is and the importance of having the right fluid in the right place and proper procedure for doing maintenance.

Considering that literally life is a stake not just a motor I’m surprised you think it’s only important that scientists care about the importance of using descriptive terms when discussing probably the most important topic in our lifetime.

Back to the “who said it first” until WHI got their marching orders from China to come up with a non Wuhan name CHINA’s state run media used numerous variations such as “Wuhan pneumonia” and “Wuhan viral pneumonia epidemic” (Jan 9 )

It wasn’t into the end of January and after China had literally trained the rest of the world to use those terms (and they all did), did China finally realize “oops that might make us look bad” and the CCP did what they do best sell the world their cheap BS.

Jan 29 some Chinese media started to report that including Wuhan was racist (same outlet of course that had been doing it for 4 weeks).

In mid February, opinion columns in China asked for western outlets to stop using the phrases Chinese virus and Wuhan virus.

Funny that 6 feb condemned western media for using the term Wuhan virus but on 17 February published a story saying “Chinese netizens fear japan would repeat Wuhan virus mistake at early stage”.

It was WHO that came up with the names of the virus and the disease.

They quickly also told people to not refer to the virus by name so now we know. What idiots. Name the virus then say but don’t use the name just infer it. That’s asinine.

On China’s marching orders AP guidelines say drop any mention of origin of the virus. Well since 6B people know the origin, no possible way to look more guilty than run from a crime. They threw atomized gas in the fire! They brought on the stigma themselves by trying to bury it. If they just were honest the simmer of annoyance would not have turned into a rolling boil of hate.

There may definitely be a genetic link to resistance.

China was very minimally hit by cv19.

As horrifying as it was to witness they stamped that shit out hard but they are a true police state nation and put 100+ million on real house arrest for 70 or so days.

In the USA we thought that’s our cushy sorta quarantine would be “just as good “ ask the 66% of cv hospitalizations coming from self quarantine in nyc how’s that working out for you?

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That means a lot Don. I was hoping we were still on that same page. I wanted to defend your constitutional right to have and share a dammed option without getting flamed.

To me we are just having a very reasonable debate without name calling. I know I hit some nerves so you swung back pretty hard which is fair but I was trying to say you don’t need to be offended or bothered not that you weren’t. It bothers me greatly that the world we live in demands a certain way (politically correct) way to speak and I was not raised in that way. At all.

I would much rather break thru barriers that are artificially made and come out on the other side realizing that there really is no point to tiptoe around fragile egos. (I’m not you are in that group it should be obvious that’s not the case).

A great example I use is that with one of my brothers case. You are not in his inner circle of friend until he will call you an asshole to your face in a crowd. It’s a badge of honor.

It’s said loud and drawn out like Otto from “a fish called Wanda”.

If (the reader) reviews the debate going on here there are very good points going both directions and we are both learning and growing into improved people.

Don and I are both usually right (I’m for serious when I say it rounds to always), so it takes some “form words” to get through but if you really look you will see never devolved into a mud slinging contest.

You can obviously tell some of what may trigger me (mostly if you say I’m wrong without some concrete proof) but an opinion will ever hurt my feelings because “you don’t know me” subjective guess should never really upset somebody at the core.

Also; it’s pretty darn stupid to write somebody off just because they pissed you off I’d be a very solitary man if that was a rule followed by me or anybody that knows me. I will 100% piss you off at some point if you hang out with me long enough. That’s pretty much the only 100% guarantee I have.

I also am literally the best problem solver I know. (I am for serous) and xo has a handful of super talents that give me an amazing set of competitors. They will absolutely beat me on occasion and I would love to say “I let them win” but they will get it faster than me on occasion.

I have a trick to why I’ll claim the best Is that in will work outside the box in ways “you really shouldn’t” because I’ve tried so many things I have a huge skill set of “done that”.

Here is a perfect example:

How to make a 1” hole in two places in a skim coat 3/4” plaster wall to run a hidden wire in three places for surround sound without making any dust in a 2.5M brand new mansion?

I didn’t have to spend more than one second to arrive at “hammer”

I’ve made hundreds of holes in drywall during demolition and noticed that if you hit just right it makes a perfectly crisp cut like you spent 5 minutes with and xacto knife.

I didn’t warn my brother what I was about to do other than to say “watch this” and two seconds later, perfect hole. He almost shit himself, you should hear him tells the story from his side.

I also know “I don’t know shit about anything”.

That Is to say: as much as I know and add often as I’m correct, what I know in total rounds to zero so I need friends like Don who are usually right and maybe together what we know. Can round up to 1.0.

I am a FIERCE debater; some have said “master” (but I’m not sure they meant that as a compliment). Don’t let emotions get in the way of a good debate I’ve enjoyed the exercise and hopefully brought some incite to some hearts and minds along the way.

Families fight, they also make up, move on and are better and stronger in the end. I wrote the summary regarding me v Don because from the observers it was becoming clear that though we were just using strong language we were not cutting each other down* with ad homonym attacks though I have to admit I loved the girlfriend and better get checked lines those were both a A+ school yard trash talk!

* a couple times I was tempted but I have no interest in burning a bridge like the one with @upallnight. He’s literally dug through a bone yard to salvage x5 parts without a thought for me and has a “want to help” drive that is definitely top 1%.

So anybody got a problem that he’s human and bitch slaps back if you piss him off? If that scares you away your loss. Long ago got into a big drawn out battle that ends up resulting in the most detailed explanation in the entire www of how the x5 fuel system works.

If not for uan being so damned stubborn to make me “prove it” that likely would never have happened.

Ok whew I have to get up in five hours and only slept 3 last night better check out.

Peace (I am for serious).

Ps. Been trying to recall a great movie line to apply to how this and other threads have a roller coaster life of their own. I think I finally figured it out;

From “ my blue heaven” I think; the main character gets into a big shouting match with his fbi handler. The handler loses his cool and Vinny says something like “that’s the difference between you and me, you think we are fighting, and I say we are finally communicating”.

Strong words and loud voices do not necessarily mean hurtful or disparaging thoughts. Swear words are the “spice “ of language.

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