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Old 07-17-2020, 06:46 PM
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I agree with you. At the end of the day we're all responsible for our own health and safety.

But there's the problem. People in general don't know what's good for them.

And the cultural and societal tendencies of America makes it that much harder for our people to realize what's good for them.

You can have 75% of the population agreeing that the guidelines are really important and much be followed to a tee.

Yet there's nothing you can say or do that can change the minds of the remaining 25% of the population to follow the guidelines.

Logically, that means America is doomed to fail this fight against Covid.

Or any other similar type of viruses that is sure to come in the future. Given the drastically increasing global population density and the scarcity of resources.

It's funny, we survived the threat of nuclear weapons and the cold war, only to be defeated by the smallest of an adversary, an insignificant strain of molecular proteins.

The elephant who ignored the mouse on its feet.
"There's the problem." No -- Not a problem. People are responsible. YOU have the problem.

Don't worry about other people. Worry about yourself.

What constitutes "success" against a virus that will infiltrate/expose an entire population in time, one way or another? You haven't said. Because you don't know.

We haven't been defeated by the coronavirus. The damage we have suffered has been due to our reaction to the virus.
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Old 07-18-2020, 04:35 PM
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"There's the problem." No -- Not a problem. People are responsible. YOU have the problem.

Don't worry about other people. Worry about yourself.

What constitutes "success" against a virus that will infiltrate/expose an entire population in time, one way or another? You haven't said. Because you don't know.

We haven't been defeated by the coronavirus. The damage we have suffered has been due to our reaction to the virus.
Or non-reaction, which is the point Maruzo is making. We're all trapped aboard a rudderless ship.
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Old 07-18-2020, 07:15 PM
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A major part of the problem is those that are only thinking of themselves. Those are the ones that aren't wearing masks in public. Those are the ones that aren't maintaining social distancing or not washing their hands. It's those that contend it violates their rights or are saying nobody is going to tell me what to do or those that won't wear a mask because of politics.

It's very clear how to control the virus. Where they have followed the recommendations the infection rate has dropped and stayed low. Those that don't know what we have to do to control the virus just aren't paying attention. New York has been very successful. They didn't do anything other than follow the CDC guidelines.

As far as the those that aren't wearing masks, the only possible solution is for the Federal government to mandate masks nationwide and establish a penalty stiff enough to get their attention. That's what is happening in other countries that are controlling the virus. At this point the Fed should be saying we will have to close the country down as the only alternative if we don't wear masks in public, maintain social distancing, wash our hands, reframe from pubic gathering etc. We will make that decision in 14 days based on the behavior of US citizens.
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Old 07-18-2020, 07:50 PM
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A major part of the problem is those that are only thinking of themselves. Those are the ones that aren't wearing masks in public. Those are the ones that aren't maintaining social distancing or not washing their hands. It's those that contend it violates their rights or are saying nobody is going to tell me what to do or those that won't wear a mask because of politics.

It's very clear how to control the virus. Where they have followed the recommendations the infection rate has dropped and stayed low. Those that don't know what we have to do to control the virus just aren't paying attention. New York has been very successful. They didn't do anything other than follow the CDC guidelines.

As far as the those that aren't wearing masks, the only possible solution is for the Federal government to mandate masks nationwide and establish a penalty stiff enough to get their attention. That's what is happening in other countries that are controlling the virus. At this point the Fed should be saying we will have to close the country down as the only alternative if we don't wear masks in public, maintain social distancing, wash our hands, reframe from pubic gathering etc. We will make that decision in 14 days based on the behavior of US citizens.
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“Stinging Obituary Blames Trump For Texas Man’s 'Needless' Death From Coronavirus

“Shame on all of you," read the obituary for David Nagy in the Jefferson Jimplecute newspaper.

The newspaper obituary for David Nagy of Jefferson, Texas, makes it crystal clear who his family blames for his “needless” death from the coronavirus.

President Donald Trump, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) and other politicians who failed to take the pandemic seriously are responsible for the 79-year-old’s July 22 death, the family wrote in the obituary published by the Jefferson Jimplecute in East Texas on Thursday.

Also at fault were the “many ignorant, self-centered and selfish people who refused to follow the advice of the medical professionals, believing their ‘right’ not to wear a mask was more important than killing innocent people,” the obituary said.

Nagy contracted COVID-19 in a convalescent hospital, where he’d been recovering from illness, his wife of 20 years Stacey Nagy*told Snopes, the fact-checking website.*

He died alone, unable to receive visitors, after suffering “greatly from the ravages of the COVID-19 virus,” the family said in the obituary.

“Dave did everything he was supposed to do, but you did not,” the obituary concluded. “Shame on all of you, and may Karma find you all!”

“I miss my husband dearly,” Stacey Nagy told Snopes. “I’m taking one day at a time to just try to keep going.”
“When I wrote that thing it was because of him,” she said. “I don’t want his death just to disappear. I wrote that and partially, it keeps him alive for me.”“
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??? While it sucks to lose someone, and I feel for her. It sounds as if she is lashing out in her husband's obit. @ 79yo he was vulnerable and in a hospital, already ill. Here is more info from her:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/david-nagy-obituary/

As an aside, I have a buddy from Longview who lost his mother last year, I wonder if she passed in that same facility.

I am disappointed in the Huffpo (and others) for turning the woman's grief into added political fodder. They are one of the many offenders in the "us vs them" struggle going on.

I agree with her accusations she posed regarding Abbott. He should be voted out next term as well as senator Cornyn.
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So here we are still killing about a thousand people a day due to not being able to get the nation to do the simple things of wearing a mask, social distancing, avoiding crowds and washing hands frequently. Trump, his administration, most republicans in house and senate and his followers downplaying the importance of what citizens should do to get COVID 19 under control.

I can't find the words to express how terrible the foolhardy, callas, lack of empathy, divisive politicalization, ignorance, stupidity and defiance surrounding the pandemic is.

We are killing around 1000 people a day and shortly after Labor Day we will have more spikes and likely run the daily death toll higher. Now there is pressure on the CDC to pull back on recommendations and some saying the death toll is vastly inflated. And here comes flu season and children going back to school. I am so ashamed of the lack of appropriate action of this nation. We are working diligently to give all that COVID 19 needs to maximize the rate of infection and deaths.

A vaccine is not going to be the panacea. It will take years to get enough people vaccinated to make a significant difference. And that assumes enough citizens will agree to be vaccinated. Then there is the issue of whether or not the vaccine can keep up with the virus mutations.

I am confounded that so many people can condone their behavior, have their head so far up their A#$. So many that think not wearing a mask is a demonstration of support for their political party, a badge of courage or a display of personal defiance.

There are those that say this is not who we are as a nation. It feels like that was who we were. I hate the thought but I don't think we have hit the bottom of what we are becoming.
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So here we are still killing about a thousand people a day due to not being able to get the nation to do the simple things of wearing a mask, social distancing, avoiding crowds and washing hands frequently. Trump, his administration, most republicans in house and senate and his followers downplaying the importance of what citizens should do to get COVID 19 under control.

I can't find the words to express how terrible the foolhardy, callas, lack of empathy, divisive politicalization, ignorance, stupidity and defiance surrounding the pandemic is.

We are killing around 1000 people a day and shortly after Labor Day we will have more spikes and likely run the daily death toll higher. Now there is pressure on the CDC to pull back on recommendations and some saying the death toll is vastly inflated. And here comes flu season and children going back to school. I am so ashamed of the lack of appropriate action of this nation. We are working diligently to give all that COVID 19 needs to maximize the rate of infection and deaths.

A vaccine is not going to be the panacea. It will take years to get enough people vaccinated to make a significant difference. And that assumes enough citizens will agree to be vaccinated. Then there is the issue of whether or not the vaccine can keep up with the virus mutations.

I am confounded that so many people can condone their behavior, have their head so far up their A#$. So many that think not wearing a mask is a demonstration of support for their political party, a badge of courage or a display of personal defiance.

There are those that say this is not who we are as a nation. It feels like that was who we were. I hate the thought but I don't think we have hit the bottom of what we are becoming.
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Our response toward this pandemic shows out people are not adaptable to any threat that forces us to change our ways of living. The passing of dinosaurs comes to mind.

The underlying conditions that caused this virus mutation from animals to people is still present. That means more of these type of species jumping mutation are on the horizon.

So far our behavior places us at the bottom of the food chain.
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