Where are you from Aleko? WOW is that a Russian Flag?? was your whole family tree born in the United States?

Please elaborate at what constitutes as a criminal? a person who comes here with a Visa and it expires?

WOW!!! TALK ABOUT IGNORANT!!!

Thanks for your stupid personal comment, but my parents were not illegal, I was born and raised in New York City and chances are that I make more money than you, pay more taxes than you, before you start taking cheap personal shots at people realize that this is a forum and we are simply debating here

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No, my whole family tree wasn't born in the US; as a matter of fact, I'm the first generation legal immigrant myself. I came here with $400 in my wallet and I worked my butt off to get where I'm at today. I didn't expect anybody, including Government, bend over backwards to help me in any way; I didn't demend any extra priveleges to make my life easier; I've never received a penny from the Government in the form of welfare, or any other social program; the only monetary benefits I've ever received from the Government was unemployment benefits when I got laid off several years ago; I've never bitched and moaned how difficult my life is, how unfair I'm being treated, how I have to pay my own education or medical bills because back home it all was free; I didn't demand the entire Country to learn my native language so that I didn't have to learn English, etc. I can go on and on, but you get the point. That's why it rubs me the wrong way when I see those illegal immigrants bitch about being mis-treated. If it sucks so much here - go home!

A person that enters this, or any other Country illegally is a criminal. It's as easy as that. Just like any person that enters my house without my permission is a criminal.

It wasn't really a personal comment as much as just trying to understand why you'd side with criminals on this issue. And you may or may not make more money than I do and pay more taxed - I don't know, nor do I care, and it doesn't have anything to do with this thread anyways. If you want to play "my dick is bigger than yours" game - start another thread for it.

America is a country that can and at this point should be selective about who it allows to live and work within its borders. I'm a second gen. citizen, whose grandparents all emigrated here legally. My fiance got her citizenship 10 years ago after living here and for nearly ten years legally as a dependent of her mother who came here on a work visa. There was a time in history when America solicited immigration, and it was legal.

We share a border with Mexico. Geographically, it's not too hard to walk to the so-called promised land. There are probably millions of people around the world who wish they were able to just walk here for the new life that might bring.

One of our greatest assets is our diversity. We have people from all over the world (hopefully) contributing to the continued growth and advancement of America. I agree with requiring English to be spoken in public schools because of this. When I go down to Mexico, I speak Spanish. I can't rightfully expect them to speak English if I'm in a Spanish-speaking country.

With the way things are now in the world, I think becoming a legal resident or worker should be similar to admission to Harvard:
*you gotta be smart
*you gotta offer something we need
*you have to have impeccable character
*your mom and/or dad was a citizen/is here legally

JV

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Fairness in immigration policy should be observed in global level, not by geographical proximity. (I really hope I an not putting myself into hot water for commenting on this sensitive topic. Forgive me in advance, if I offend anyone.) I worked with many American top school graduates who happened to be Indians from India, Chinese, Koreans, etc.. Lot of them worked long hours and below median wages (compare to American counterparts) for years to be resident aliens. Lot of them successfully settled, some had to go back home because of Visa quota running out early, dot bomb, and so on. None I know decided to stay after visa expired. They knew better... I am not saying a brilliant Chinese astro physicist shoud have a priority in this country than a guy who mows my lawn.
Yes I want my landscaping doesn't cost more than 70G I paid, and I want my favorite 30 dollar all you can eat sushi restraunt stay open. Yes, California and Texas used to be Mexico while back, but I am not sure if it is relevant now. For anything that is scarce, pleople have to wait in line like everyone else. It is just my opinion and my parents are immigrants.

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I guess you and I are discussing two different things Aleko, I don't defend people who come here illegally nor do I defend people who come here and live off the government, but, if your beef is people who come here to live off the governemt "how can you get government benefits as an undocumented illegal alien?"

If a non-citizen commits a crime (however small it may be) I think they should be deported and not given an option to return ever again, our country can spend Billions and Billions of dollars at war but we can't get our shit together when it comes to a border? I think if the border problem is fixed, north america's problem is fixed; as bad as it sounds a wall ala Berlin Wall would fix the problem for good.

I am the biggest advocate of busting your ass to do better, it's the only way to get ahead in today's world, but you have to admit some of these Undocumented Alient bust their asses and are here to really work, not all of them are bad.

The main reason the government does not accept taxes from the undocumented aliens who are really working is because once a single penny is accepted as tax payment that person constitutes as a legal tax paying citizen and North America does not want to make it so easy. If you ever met any undocumented person who is here to work and has no mal-intent you will see that they want to pay taxes but can't.

lastly, while I don't defend undocumented aliens you have to admit, when push comes to shove and you have to do whatever it takes to feed your family, you will do whatever it takes, in this case it's come to North America.

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Just in case, I don't want to offend anyone but America is a continent, and it's made up of South America, Central America and North America, we are all in America...not just North American's. Just as any person who is born in The Continent of Europe is European. We have to deal with the fact that we are all here to together and it will be very tough to get everyone who we North American's think should be out, lets play to our strengths and not our differences, the Govt should have undocumented people be documented ASAP and allow them to pay taxes.

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Carlos,
I think I may have wondered off topic a little in my last reply, and it certainly wasn't my intent. Although Government leaches do make me furious, even more so than illegal immigrants, but that's a discussion for another day. And of course you're right - illegal immigrants wouldn't be able to get any benefits from Government (not yet anyways, but I think that's what they are pushing for), so that privilege is reserved for native/naturalized leaches... err... citizens.

I think what pisses me off the most is not even the fact that these people are here illegally; I can understand the desire to provide the best for your family at almost any cost, even if it involves crossing the border illegally. After all, most of these people have no choice thanks to El Pres Fox. It still doesn't make it right, but we all do what we have got to do. What gets me fired up though is these people's attitude, their expectations of something they "deserve". What percentage of immigrants participating in those "shows" are legal immigrants? I think we all know the answer to that one. The title of that article should have been "A day without an illegal immigrant" - that would have been much more to the point. I don't understand why they are even allowed to organize such events as these; essentially, what they are doing is threatening the Government, the people of the US, our economy, etc. with their stupid "we just won't show up for work one day and ya'll will see how much it hurts" BS.

And finally, if I were here illegally, and I wanted to stay here long enough to get my papers - I would probably keep very low profile, work hard, and spend all my time and efforts on trying to legalize, instead of participating in these stupid dog and pony shows.

The title of that article should have been "A day without an illegal immigrant"

Now we have got at least one of the points i was trying to get across.

The second point might be that public sentiment may be swayed by this huge event to the extent that the real facts are covered up. No matter what our position may be the law is still the law and this event is an attempt to say that breaking the law is ok.

#1 No you may not circumvent the proper way to do things.
#2 No you may not jump the line in front of others who have worked thru the process.
#3 No you may not lie and falseify documents to get a job.
#4 No you may not come here for the specific purpose of having your children while you pay no taxes.
#4 No you may not be a dishonest human being and expect me to support your effort at demonstrating for what you believe is your right to do so

This list could be a lot longer but the bottom line is..........

I hope that if anyone is concerned about what this demonstration could accomplish they should pass this information along as a reminder regarding whats in store.

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Dude, There are seven continents: NORTH America, South America, Europe, Africa, Asia, Austrailia, Antartica

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