New 9/11 film coming out next month - Page 3

Eric5273 · #21 08-28-2006, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by B&DCalgary

Looks to me like a picture of a well-fed Osama (E) at the start of it all, compared to three photos (A, B, C) of Osama after months of hiding in caves from U.S. forces and battling sickness. Photo D is a pre 9/11 photo too, and it doesn't look much like the three post 9/11 photos either. Sheeeesh... I guess if you believe in something hard enough it makes it easy to ignore the obvious.

I guess all skinny arab guys with beards look the same to you.

Can you not see that the guy in picture E is a totally different guy who looks very little like Osama? Look at his nose and compare to the nose in the other pictures. His head is a different shape.

The other thing I didn't mention is that the Osama in picture E is right handed (he writes with his right hand in the video) while according to the FBI and all other sources, Osama is left handed.

And as far as the pictures, Pictures A-D are pre-9/11, while Picture E is supposedly post-9/11 -- just the opposite of what you suggest.

But why don't you go ahead and vote anyway:

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Eric5273 · #22 08-28-2006, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by rebound

Good God, not this again. Looks like it's time to put you back in the box.

You are right though...this thread is going nowhere. I only posted it to let people know there is a new film coming out, as some of the people here are obviously interested as is evident by the number of posts on 9/11 prior to me becoming an X5world member a few months ago.

If you think the film is BS, then don't watch it. Others may choose to watch it.

rjs1222 · #23 08-28-2006, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric5273

I'll give a couple of examples:

FACT: In the decade before 9/11, NORAD intercepted only one civilian plane over North America: golfer Payne Stewart's Learjet, in October 1999. With passengers and crew unconscious from cabin decompression, the plane lost radio contact but remained in transponder contact until it crashed. Even so, it took an F-16 1 hour and 22 minutes to reach the stricken jet. Rules in effect back then, and on 9/11, prohibited supersonic flight on intercepts. Prior to 9/11, all other NORAD interceptions were limited to offshore Air Defense Identification Zones (ADIZ). "Until 9/11 there was no domestic ADIZ," FAA spokesman Bill Schumann tells PM.

Sounds great, but this is not true. Documents released through FOIA show that planes were scramled by NORAD on over 50 occasions during the year 2001 prior to the 9/11 attacks. Even the Associated Press published this info.

"I have never seen melted steel in a building fire," says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. "But I've seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks."

Perhaps this guy should also mention that never in the history of the world has a steel building colapsed because of this. The 3 towers that collapsed at the WTC would be the first time this ever happened.

Also, a "weakened" building would not colapse at freefall speed, and would not colapse perfectly into its own footprint like a demolition. Demolition crews typically take weeks to plan demolitions and go through great care to make sure the building being demolished does not fall over and instead falls into its own footprint. This process usually involves studying the building plans, hiring mechanical engineers, etc. There must be 100% perfect symetry of the explosions in order for this to occur.

There is also no discussion of the dozens of explosions that took place and where exactly they came from? Watch:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...%2F11+collapse

Also, here is Larry Silverstein admitting that Building 7 was intentionally demolished:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...stein%22&hl=en

The only problem with this is that such a demolition would take much much longer than a few hours to set up. It would take weeks. Someone must have told him that after he gave this interview, because he later said he had been mistaken.

FACT: Once each tower began to collapse, the weight of all the floors above the collapsed zone bore down with pulverizing force on the highest intact floor. Unable to absorb the massive energy, that floor would fail, transmitting the forces to the floor below, allowing the collapse to progress downward through the building in a chain reaction. Engineers call the process "pancaking," and it does not require an explosion to begin, according to David Biggs, a structural engineer at Ryan-Biggs Associates and a member of the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) team that worked on the FEMA report.

It's wonderful that it "does not require" an explosion to begin, but hundreds of witnesses all said they heard and felt explosions before the buildings started to collapse. A number of cameras filming the towers all started shaking about 10 seconds before the collapse started.

Hi,
New to the the site, haven't posted until now but you are dead wrong. I lived 1 mile from NEADS during 9/11 and have several friends that worked there. They both stated that they had never scrambled interceptors until 9/11 - for anything. As for the crash and fire, I toured the USS Bonefish after the 1989 fire, and saw stuff you wouldn't believe. The US Navy totally revamped the entire submarine firefighting manual because of it. All of the assumptions they made before the fire were wrong. You need to realize this has never happened before, and nobody can calculate or predict what can happen.

Eric5273 · #24 08-28-2006, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by rjs1222

you are dead wrong. I lived 1 mile from NEADS during 9/11 and have several friends that worked there. They both stated that they had never scrambled interceptors until 9/11 - for anything.

http://www.homelandsecurity.org/News...s/16082002.htm

This week in Homeland Security

Date: August 16, 2002

6th item listed:

Military Often Called to Intercept Suspicious Planes

“The military sent fighter jets to chase suspicious aircraft 462 times between Sept. 11 and June, nearly seven times as often as the 67 scrambles from the same period a year earlier,” reports the Associated Press. The emergency takeoffs “are also faster in the tense new environment because the North American Aerospace Defense Command communicates better with the Federal Aviation Administration.”

(a year earier = September 2000 - June 2001)

rebound · #25 08-29-2006, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by rjs1222

Hi,
New to the the site, haven't posted until now but you are dead wrong. I lived 1 mile from NEADS during 9/11 and have several friends that worked there. They both stated that they had never scrambled interceptors until 9/11 - for anything. As for the crash and fire, I toured the USS Bonefish after the 1989 fire, and saw stuff you wouldn't believe. The US Navy totally revamped the entire submarine firefighting manual because of it. All of the assumptions they made before the fire were wrong. You need to realize this has never happened before, and nobody can calculate or predict what can happen.

First: :xoutpost: !!

Second: Don't bother telling Eric he's wrong. It doesn't matter what eyewitness experience you have, or how many websites you post. He'll round up the usual plethora of left-wing/conspiracy sites and tell you you're wrong. It is fun to poke him and watch him react, though...

Eric5273 · #26 08-29-2006, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by rebound

First: :xoutpost: !!

Second: Don't bother telling Eric he's wrong. It doesn't matter what eyewitness experience you have, or how many websites you post. He'll round up the usual plethora of left-wing/conspiracy sites and tell you you're wrong. It is fun to poke him and watch him react, though...

Of course. HomelandSecurity.org is a left-wing/conspiracy website.

And the source of the info was an Associated Press article.

Perhaps the facts are "left-wing" and "conspiracy" in nature.

6to · #27 08-29-2006, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric5273

Of course. HomelandSecurity.org is a left-wing/conspiracy website.

HAH ! I just KNEW the guy (wearing that "Dept. of Homeland Security" badge)who stamped my passport the last time I entered the U.S. looked like a friggin' left-wing-red-commie-liberal !!!

JV · #28 08-29-2006, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric5273

That tape was not Osama. Look at the photos below:

Photos "A" through "D" are Osama. Photo "E" is from the video you are talking about.

Eric- photo E shows a man who is smiling broadly, while none of the other photos do. Go look in the mirror, smile like you just won the lottery, and tell me that you honestly think a big cheesy smile does not change the contours of your face. Additionally, photo E is much lower resolution, not gonna make an honest comparison with that.

It is well known that Ziad Jarra, the Lebanese dental student who piloted flight 93 after the midair takeover trained in Al-Qaeda camps in Afghanistan and personally met Osama Bin Laden.
clipped from the Wikipedia article:

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In late 1999, according to the 9/11 Commission Report, Jarrah, Mohammed Atta, Marwan al-Shehhi, Said Bahaji, and Ramzi Binalshibh decided to travel to Chechnya to fight against the Russians. They were convinced by Khalid al-Masri and Mohamedou Ould Slahi at the last minute to change their plans, and instead traveled to Afghanistan to meet with Osama bin Laden and train for terrorist attacks. They were told they were on a highly secret mission, and were instructed to return to Germany and enroll in flight school. This account is provided solely from the testimony of captured al-Qaeda member Ramzi Binalshibh. In October of 1999 Ziad Jarrah was filmed at Said Bahaji's wedding with other 9/11 hijackers, including Marwan al-Shehhi.

His letters to his wife or girlfriend (it's not clear if they were legally married) clearly corroborate this and she has authenticated them. I will try to find a credible link to the information and post it here.

I appreciate your viewpoints on this and many other things, but you have to recognize that you are among the vast minority who believe 9/11 was a government conspiracy.

JV

asawadude · #29 08-29-2006, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric5273

I guess all skinny arab guys with beards look the same to you.

Can you not see that the guy in picture E is a totally different guy who looks very little like Osama? Look at his nose and compare to the nose in the other pictures. His head is a different shape.

The other thing I didn't mention is that the Osama in picture E is right handed (he writes with his right hand in the video) while according to the FBI and all other sources, Osama is left handed.

And as far as the pictures, Pictures A-D are pre-9/11, while Picture E is supposedly post-9/11 -- just the opposite of what you suggest.

But why don't you go ahead and vote anyway:

http://www.xoutpost.com/lounge/16581-...ease-vote.html

Take the most distorted screen capture from an already distorted home video and say that is it unrefutable proof that the man in the video is an imposter.

And you were doing so well, Eric...

JV · #30 08-29-2006, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 6to

HAH ! I just KNEW the guy (wearing that "Dept. of Homeland Security" badge)who stamped my passport the last time I entered the U.S. looked like a friggin' left-wing-red-commie-liberal !!!

What are you flying around in there in the avatar? A-star?

JV

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