WARNING: Political Thread

[Ishniknork]

Reply to Blondboi:

Originally Posted by gresch

that's like saying "i'm against rape". no kidding everyone wants those things, HOW would the democrats do it differently? THAT'S the point.


(and btw- i can tell you how, they'll raise everyone's taxes, hand out checks to everyone without a job, give every woman in the country a "1 free abortion" card and make all guns illegal. thanks but i'll stick to republicans)

Could not have said it better myself.

[BMW X5]

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[Ishniknork]

Originally Posted by drex

regarding north korea, you ALL should read up on madeleine albright and clinton's foreign policy regarding north korea....

or let me sum it up for you:

http://www.drudgereport.com/flashma.htm

What a great ad! I don't see that as being "way over the top." Seemed pretty realistic to me.

[Eric5273]

Originally Posted by BMW X5

hitler had some very powerful ideas and people who were willing to follow him since they believed him much luck osama unfortunately there you had a people here you have 1billion lunatics, they are not in armies they do not wear uniforms they can not be identified by you or I and exactly how would an arab end up at 1600 pennsylvania ave? dont tell me for the love of g-d that Bush is an arab please dont tell me. You know what scares me sometimes i have ludicruis (sp?) ideas and statements but thats all they are, you actually believe all of the stuff you say thats the frightening part

English please!! I'm having a hard time following this long run-on sentence. Sorry....

As far as Hitler and WWII, as a fellow Jew I really suggest you do more reading on this. Part of saying "never again" is being well educated on what originally happened. And I can tell from many of our conversations on here that you have a number of misconceptions about how the Nazis rose to power and the reasons for the Holocaust. A really good book that I recommend:

Amazon.com: Rise and Fall of the Third Reich

This book is also one of the best selling historical books in history.

[WMG/BMW]

Originally Posted by B-Line

BTW, I often don't voice my opinion on the war on Iraq because I have a very hard time articulating why I feel the way I do about the war.
I have an opinion but to a lot of people it might not make a lot of sense. I would like to try to explain it though as I'm interested to hear a debate that deals with the issues I am about to raise.

I think we need to be in Iraq. And not because of WMD's or even regime change. I think we need to be in Iraq because of a number of reasons that we can not just come out and say. We needed an excuse that people would stand behind and WMD's were the excuse. Having said that, here is my opinion of why we do need to be there.

1) After 9/11, it was clear that the US needed a war. Unfortunately Afghanistan was not the "right" war. You can't blow up a country that already looks like a "mad max" movie.
--The reasone we needed a war is a little complicated but I will try to get my ideas out. The enemy we are fighting lives by a very different logic than we do. What brings about peace in many middle eastern conflicts is not "turning the cheek" which our enemy see's as a sign of weakness. What brings about peace is "retaliation". This is something the Israeli's have understood for a long time but the rest of the world does not. For example, look at how the Muslim people retaliate to "issues" against their image/people around the world.
--So we needed retaliation for 9/11 and since there was no target that was effective for the US, we needed to make one up. To show our stregnth, our willingness to fight back. Iraq was in the wrong place at the wrong time and had they not pissed off the UN weapons inspectors and had they been more receptive to inspections, maybe they would not have been attacked.

-- Now let me say this clearly. Sometimes small wars are neccessary to avert big wars. Iraq is a small war (compared to a World War) and even though small wars sometimes lead to big wars, more often than not, they prevent big wars. It is my strong belief that regardless of WMD's, Regime Change, we are in Iraq to prevent a much, much bigger impending Middle East war. Iran is much more dangerous than N. Korea and we needed military on it's borders. The people who have declared war on us, the Jihad's, they are in the Middle East and we needed a place to fight them. So Iraq became the playing field for our fight against terrorism.

So even if it's not Iraq, we need to be there somewhere. We need the retaliation or they will see us as weak and attack us even more. We unfortunately need to fight fire, with bigger fire. Yes, it's a nice idea to turn the other cheek but that will empower our enemy's to become stronger.

B

Also, If Clinton or any Democrate was in office, we would be attacked and attacked often. Democrates are weak on military strength, they believe in turning the other cheak only i would be the chicago building, etc etc. You cannot appease these people, they only believe in power and threats. We need at this time to have republicans in the white house a democratic congress and a republican house. But I stress, we cannot afford to have a democratic white house, this country cannot afford to have our military stripped like Clinton did (reduced by 50%) budgets slashed, forces not prepared for war, took almost a year to get the military ready to strick Iraq after Clinton 8 years, and absolutely NO HILLARY CLINTON, I would take Rudy before we put her there.

[raptor10]

Wow, so you believe that it is acceptable to invade another country in order to relieve national frustration?

I believe that it is/was important to be in Iraq, but not for that reason...

[WMG/BMW]

Originally Posted by B-Line

Eric, the Jews don't care what the Germans or the Arabs say. To ALL of them there is only one Jewish response.. "NEVER AGAIN" For every six million of us they try to kill, we will kill 24 million of yours.
Once the world understands that, maybe there will be some push forward for peace. But if any Arab thinks the Jews are going to roll over and be cooked in an oven again or pushed into the sea, it's going to be bloody mayhem. And the Jews and Israel are thankful to have the US as it's ally. Cause guess who there coming for after the Jews.. The Christians.

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Lets not leave out biblical implications for the war. The bible clearly states that all nations will seek to destroy Israel, but will fail, not by the power of Israel but by the power of God. Israel will stand and can stand alone. America is not mentioned in the bible, therefore my opinion is eventually the US will end up like Egypt, Rome, etc, will destroy itself internally, most likely by democratic hands, dismantling our armies, and trying the UN/ diplomatic approach of appeasement/peace which will leave us naked, with no military and eventual destruction. We must keep God in our nation and not remove him. Keep God in our schools, since this country was founded on faith and the bible we are blessed. Abortion, homosexuality, liberalism, will surely lead this nation to be blessed no more and then all the evil in the world will come upon us. All I ask is think about it.

[B-Line]

Originally Posted by WMG/BMW

Lets not leave out biblical implications for the war. The bible clearly states that all nations will seek to destroy Israel, but will fail, not by the power of Israel but by the power of God. Israel will stand and can stand alone. America is not mentioned in the bible, therefore my opinion is eventually the US will end up like Egypt, Rome, etc, will destroy itself internally, most likely by democratic hands, dismantling our armies, and trying the UN/ diplomatic approach of appeasement/peace which will leave us naked, with no military and eventual destruction. We must keep God in our nation and not remove him. Keep God in our schools, since this country was founded on faith and the bible we are blessed. Abortion, homosexuality, liberalism, will surely lead this nation to be blessed no more and then all the evil in the world will come upon us. All I ask is think about it.

Woe, woe, woe.. Please don't quote me as a resource for you to speak out against abortion, homosexuality, liberalism.. First off, I prefer the term, "PRO CHOICE".. Secondly, I have no problems with homosexuality, as far as liberalism, I don't endorse that word any more than I endorse the word conservative. There both wrong. Issues are not that cut and dry that they should be easily dumped into a category of right or wrong, black or white.. The world is GREY !!

God does not belong in schools because not everyone believes in the same "god". This country was founded on the principal of separation of church and state and schools are state (unless it's a private religious school which may do what ever it wishes.) And people also have the right to not accept god or Jesus or look to the bible for answers when they should be looking to text books.

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[Eric5273]

Can someone answer me this:

If you believe in democracy for our country, then why not have democracy for the entire world? Isn't that what the UN is?

Why not have a democratic model for the entire world? If changes need to be made, then make them. But we are all human and we all live on the same planet, so why is democracy not good for everyone?

[B-Line]

Eric,

Not everyone wants democracy. And the UN is not a vehicle for democracy. It is a vehicle for people of vast social, economic, political, climates, to come together as leaders of the world, to discuss and act for the people of the world, some who believe in democracy and others who do not.

B