WARNING: Political Thread

[BMW X5]

Originally Posted by Roc3b

There are 11million African Americans in the US...there are 100million caucasion Americans in the US....unless only 10% of whites show up it would be virtually impossible for it to swing the vote. Your also not mentioning the 00 vote in the panahandle of FLA where black voters where turned away from the pols even though they were still open, with such excuses as your registration is not valid or we are out of voting materials.....black or white....depending upon who sits in power in the location intimidation is still a factor down where time stands still.

i guess my point was with all the laws on anti-discrimination its being used the wrong way like even affirmative action. I didnt mean for that post to be disrespectful as I was merely referencing what is happening somewhere. also the Times had an article which said NYC whites would be a minority. Once again NYC is already democratic at least in the pres running so it wouldnt matter. and once again I'm not trying to be disrespectful however the point was that I would be very affraid of what happened in that place to happen in the white house not to say that whites are so much better. but it does seem that minority tend to favor minority for obvious reasons. BTW who told you I'm smart :lol:, we've all got to be to have even semi logical conversations on these poli sci threads argh these drive me nuts

[Roc3b]

Originally Posted by BMW X5

i guess my point was with all the laws on anti-discrimination its being used the wrong way like even affirmative action. I didnt mean for that post to be disrespectful as I was merely referencing what is happening somewhere. also the Times had an article which said NYC whites would be a minority. Once again NYC is already democratic at least in the pres running so it wouldnt matter. and once again I'm not trying to be disrespectful however the point was that I would be very affraid of what happened in that place to happen in the white house not to say that whites are so much better. but it does seem that minority tend to favor minority for obvious reasons. BTW who told you I'm smart :lol:, we've all got to be to have even semi logical conversations on these poli sci threads argh these drive me nuts

I understand what your thinking...if a black person where prez like say Ray Nagin, you fear that he would only pander to black issues or view problems only from a black point of view...a black person would say that a white president does not understand the issues in the community and as whole in our society since he only sees it from a white persons point of view.....

I think for a person of color to be elected in the first place they would have to view issues from a any person point of view and review policies and procedures from a practical and effective point of view and leave color on the side of the road...I got news for you...a woman will be elected before a black man would be...two men of color that could win now.....Colin Powell and Obama. Powell won't run and Obama is two senate terms away, at least that is how his handlers are trying to take him, he might feel froggy in 2012, but most feel 2016 would be his time. Hillary is going to be the next president for better or worse. Women are going to turn out in droves...it is speculated that we could have the largest ever voter turn out in 08 if the Iraq war has not ebbed.

[BMW X5]

Originally Posted by Roc3b

I understand what your thinking...if a black person where prez like say Ray Nagin, you fear that he would only pander to black issues or view problems only from a black point of view...a black person would say that a white president does not understand the issues in the community and as whole in our society since he only sees it from a white persons point of view.....

I think for a person of color to be elected in the first place they would have to view issues from a any person point of view and review policies and procedures from a practical and effective point of view and leave color on the side of the road...I got news for you...a woman will be elected before a black man would be...two men of color that could win now.....Colin Powell and Obama. Powell won't run and Obama is two senate terms away, at least that is how his handlers are trying to take him, he might feel froggy in 2012, but most feel 2016 would be his time. Hillary is going to be the next president for better or worse. Women are going to turn out in droves...it is speculated that we could have the largest ever voter turn out in 08 if the Iraq war has not ebbed.

If chilary is elected I'm moving to Canada shes the most useless politician NY has had i dont know what she does or has done and yet odds are she will get second term. and g-d help us if she wins the prez election in 08 we'll all be doomed

[Eric5273]

Originally Posted by Roc3b

WE sold them to em...that is thier deterence from being invaded. They have the means of wipping out what ever forces mass against them. That was why we sold them to em.

We did not sell nuclear weapons to Israel!!

Read:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...23/wnuke23.xml

Israel reveals secrets of how it gained bomb

By Inigo Gilmore in Jerusalem

12/23/2001

A TELEVISION documentary in which Shimon Peres, Israel's foreign minister, discloses for the first time details about Israel's acquisition of nuclear weapons is to be broadcast in the Arab world. It is intended, at a time of rising tensions, as a warning.

In the documentary, Mr Peres goes further than any other Israeli official in confirming that the Jewish state has a nuclear capability. He and former French government officials give details about co-operation between Israel and France in launching Israel's nuclear programme.

The film, made by a leading Israeli documentary team, is a sign that the government may be finally relaxing its rule of absolute silence on its nuclear programme. Mordechai Vanunu, a technician at the Dimona nuclear facility, is serving an 18-year jail sentence for revealing in 1986 that Israel had a nuclear programme and more than 100 warheads.

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The film reveals how France helped Israel on its nuclear programme in exchange for support in the Suez War. In the mid-1950s, relations between the two countries were warming because of their shared anxiety over burgeoning nationalist movements in North Africa.

[Roc3b]

They worked with France....CIA provided the yellow cake.

Originally Posted by Eric5273

We did not sell nuclear weapons to Israel!!

Read:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...23/wnuke23.xml

Israel reveals secrets of how it gained bomb

By Inigo Gilmore in Jerusalem

12/23/2001

A TELEVISION documentary in which Shimon Peres, Israel's foreign minister, discloses for the first time details about Israel's acquisition of nuclear weapons is to be broadcast in the Arab world. It is intended, at a time of rising tensions, as a warning.

In the documentary, Mr Peres goes further than any other Israeli official in confirming that the Jewish state has a nuclear capability. He and former French government officials give details about co-operation between Israel and France in launching Israel's nuclear programme.

The film, made by a leading Israeli documentary team, is a sign that the government may be finally relaxing its rule of absolute silence on its nuclear programme. Mordechai Vanunu, a technician at the Dimona nuclear facility, is serving an 18-year jail sentence for revealing in 1986 that Israel had a nuclear programme and more than 100 warheads.

........

The film reveals how France helped Israel on its nuclear programme in exchange for support in the Suez War. In the mid-1950s, relations between the two countries were warming because of their shared anxiety over burgeoning nationalist movements in North Africa.

[Eric5273]

Originally Posted by Roc3b

They worked with France....CIA provided the yellow cake.

Care to share a reference for that?

Everything I have read says that they got the yellowcake from South African's Apartheid government in exchange for chemical weapons technology.

[JV]

Originally Posted by BMW X5

If chilary is elected I'm moving to Canada shes the most useless politician NY has had i dont know what she does or has done and yet odds are she will get second term. and g-d help us if she wins the prez election in 08 we'll all be doomed

Story out today that former VA Governor and go-zillionaire Mark Warner will not seek the Democratic nomination for Pres. in '08. This can only mean that Howard Dean told him that the Democratic party wants Hillary in '08!

Now I'm gonna' start to pray for McCain to win the Rebublican nomination...

[Eric5273]

Here's the complete article from that study I posted about yesterday:

Critics say 600,000 Iraqi dead doesn't tally
But pollsters defend methods used in Johns Hopkins study


The study, funded by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, drew on data obtained by eight Iraqi physicians during a survey of 1,849 Iraqi families -- or 12,801 people -- in 47 neighborhoods of 18 regions across the entire country.

The researchers said they based the selection of geographical areas on population size, not on the level of violence.

Then they projected the findings to the 26.1 million Iraqis estimated to be living in the survey areas.

The surveyors put Iraq's prewar mortality rate at 5.5 deaths per 1,000 people per year. In the post-invasion period, according to the survey, the rate grew to 13.3 deaths per 1,000 people per year. The surveyors used the difference between these rates to calculate deaths that were not brought on by natural causes. The survey suggests that of more than 650,000 Iraqis who died since 2003, 601,000 were killed since the war began. Polling experts supported the methods used by the surveyors.

"The sampling is solid. The methodology is as good as it gets," said John Zogby, whose Utica, N.Y.-based polling agency, Zogby International, has done several surveys in Iraq since the war began. "It is what people in the statistics business do."

Zogby said similar survey methods have been used to estimate casualty figures in other conflicts, such as Darfur and the Democratic People's Republic of Congo.

Ronald Waldman, an epidemiologist at Columbia University who worked at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for many years, told the Washington Post the survey method was "tried and true." He said that "this is the best estimate of mortality we have."
Frank Harrell Jr., chairman of the biostatistics department at Vanderbilt University, told the Associated Press the study incorporated "rigorous, well-justified analysis of the data."

[Wagner]

Well, maybe the should stop blowing up their own shopping centers, religious buildings, funerals, schools...etc..

[Eric5273]

Originally Posted by WagnerX5

Well, maybe the should stop blowing up their own shopping centers, religious buildings, funerals, schools...etc..

I'm pretty sure they weren't doing that prior to March 2003. What our invasion has done is made them into a bunch of extremists.

What was the reason for this war again?

WMDs?
(President Bush's "Iraqi Survey Group" says there were none)

To "liberate" the Iraqi people?
(1 in 40 of them are now dead. How many are injured, maimed, etc?)

To punish Saddam for his role in 9/11?
(9/11 Commission says Iraq had no role in the attacks)

To make the world safer from terrorism?
(US Military Intelligence report released 2 weeks ago says the war has resulted in increased terrorism worldwide)


Any other good reasons?