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Old 11-10-2006, 10:34 PM
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My hope is that our government can find a happy medium and take care of both partys issues. I do fear that if we abandon Iraq we will see many more deaths from terrorist activities here in our own country than we ever will over there. And those deaths would not be trained soldiers who signed up for the task knowing the risks but plain citizens. Might even be you, or me .
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Old 11-10-2006, 02:46 AM
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Oh good lord, we're hated because of that stupid war, if we didn't do that we would not be as hated as we are now, just my 2 cents
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Old 11-10-2006, 03:24 AM
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Oh good lord, we're hated because of that stupid war, if we didn't do that we would not be as hated as we are now, just my 2 cents
We're hated from a lot more than that. Our entire foreign policy since WWII has been a quest to defeat socialism so that American foreign business interests could control the world. This has come at the expense of tens of millions of lives in countries like Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Congo, Iran, Afghanistan, Panama, Haiti, Dominican Republic, Grenada, Guatemala, Philipines, Nicaragua, Chile and yes Iraq too. And it has also come at the expense of democracy in half of these countries too. That is why we are hated. It will take a lot more than a new foreign policy to change that. It will take many years of a new foreign policy before we are trusted by the rest of the world.
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Old 11-10-2006, 10:41 AM
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...Our entire foreign policy since WWII has been a quest to defeat socialism so that American foreign business interests could control the world. This has come at the expense of tens of millions of lives in countries like Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Congo, Iran, Afghanistan, Panama, Haiti, Dominican Republic, Grenada, Guatemala, Philipines, Nicaragua, Chile and yes Iraq too.
"Tens of millions"? Is this a WHO or Amnesty International number, or a figure Nancy Pelosi came up during a Botox bender?

I've been to Grenada and I've been to Haiti. You won't find one person in either of these places that would turn down an offer to come to the US to live and work, nor will you find anyone there that would prefer to be ruled by Hugo Chavez, a nutter who makes Che Guevara look like Churchill.

It's a long, complex argument, but I would suggest, that when Islamic radicals murder Belgian film makers and Danish cartoonists have to go into hiding, that the US can hardly be faulted for being the tip of the spear in terms of tempering the ascendency of Islamic radicalism.
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Old 11-10-2006, 10:50 AM
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Our entire foreign policy since WWII has been a quest to defeat socialism so that American foreign business interests could control the world.
I wish you could be a little more direct so I could keep up.
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Old 11-10-2006, 11:34 AM
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Just to follow my point, the following are countries in which the United States interfered to overthrow or give material support to the overthrow of a democratically elected liberal/socialist government in favor of a dictatorship. Some of these governments were not even that socialist. These new dictatorships were some of the most repressive of the 20th Century.

1) Nicaragua (1909)
2) Honduras (1911)
3) Iran (1953)
4) Guatemala (1954)
5) Congo (1960)
6) Ecuador (1961)
7) Dominican Republic (1963)
8) Brazil (1964)
9) Chile (1973)

And of course there were unsuccessful attempts to do the same in Vietnam and Venezuela.
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On the way home today, I heard this song, which I had not heard for a long time. Sums it up pretty well.


Artist/Band: Daniels Charlie
Lyrics for Song: In America
Lyrics for Album: A Decade of Hits

Well the eagle's been flying slow and the flag's been flying low
And a lot of people are saying that America's fixing to fall
But speaking just for me and some people from Tennessee
We got a thing or two to tell you all
This lady may have stumbled but she ain't never fell
And if the Russians don't believe that they can all go straight to hell
We're gonna put her feet back on the path of righteousness
And then God bless America again

And you never did think that it ever would happen again
In America, did you?
You never did think that we'd ever get together again
Well we damn sure fooled you
We're walking real proud and we're talking real loud again in America
You never did think that it ever would happen again

From the sound up in Long Island out to San Francisco Bay
And ev'ry thing that's in between them is our home
And we may have done a little bit of fighting amongst ourselves
But you outside people best leave us alone
Cause we'll all stick together and you can take that to the bank
That's the cowboys and the hippies and the rebels and the yanks
You just go and lay your head on a Pittsburgh Steeler fan
And I think you're gonna finally understand

And you never did think that it ever would happen again
In America, did you?
You never did think that we'd ever get together again
Well we damn sure fooled you
We're walking real proud and we're talking real loud again in America
You never did think that it ever would happen again

This one I have on a CD, and I listen to every day, especially after reading X5World Political Threads:

This bloody road remains a mystery
This sudden darkness fills the air
What are we waiting for?
Wont anybody help us?
What are we waiting for?
We cant afford to be innocent
Stand up and face the enemy
Its a do or die situation
We will be invincible

This shattered dream you cannot justify
Were gonna scream until were satisified
What are we running for?
Weve got the right to be angry
What are we running for?
When theres no where we can run to anymore

We cant afford to be innocent
Stand up and face the enemy
Its a do or die situation
We will be invincible
And with the power of conviction
There is no sacrifice
Its a do or die situation
We will be invincible

Wont anybody help us?
What are we running for?
When theres no where, no where we can run to anymore

We cant afford to be innocent
Stand up and face the enemy
Its a do or die situation
We will be invincible
And with the power of conviction
There is no sacrifice
Its a do or die situation
We will be invincible
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