Toyota, WTF? - Page 4

Viperfreak2 · #31 02-25-2010, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Wagner

Considering that Toyota between 2000-2009 has sold over 4.2M cars in the US, 34 people dying in the same period is not even a statistic (.000008%).

True. The number (34) is also inflated. They include the 4 people killed in the famous 911 phone call car. That was driver and 3 passenger error. I don't know how 4 people in that amount of time could not think to put the car in neutral. Sorry, 5 people. The 911 operator also. They chose to pray, instead of think.

There is also the dishonesty factor, now that Toyota is in the media spotlight. What do you think happened here?:

BATON ROUGE, LA (WAFB) - A Toyota Tundra crashed into the showroom at All Star Toyota on Airline Hwy. near Goodwood Blvd. in Baton Rouge on Saturday morning. Officers said a customer tried to return his truck following a recent recall on the accelerator.
According to the Baton Rouge Police Department, the general manager offered to fix the truck and repeatedly offered to give the customer a loaner in the meantime, but the customer declined and left the building. Police reported the man then drove his Toyota into the side of the dealership, causing major damage to the truck and the building.
The customer claimed his accelerator became stuck, causing the crash. All Star said the truck was purchased last March and did not have any records of mechanical problems.
Police added the accelerator was not stuck when they examined the truck after the crash, but they could not find any evidence that the crash was intentional. The driver was not ticketed.

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1stE53 · #32 02-25-2010, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by FLi GLi

I hope Toyota keeps issuing recalls. Can only help my recently purchased Ford stock ;-).

FLi

You nailed it!!! This is to help the union workers (a communist term, we use associates, employees, or crew members, etc. communist countries use 'workers') more specifically Obama Motors.

Meiac09 · #33 02-25-2010, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Viperfreak2

the customer declined and left the building. Police reported the man then drove his Toyota into the side of the dealership, causing major damage to the truck and the building.
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The customer claimed his accelerator became stuck
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The driver was not ticketed.

StanF18 · #34 02-25-2010, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Wagner

Ah yes, I wouldn't go back in time 10 years and buy a Ford either...and I wouldn't buy a Toyota today..wonder which one is more of a concern? Not sure what your point is comparing now to a decade ago

My point is that the folks that died in Fords 10 years ago are still dead. So yes, context matters. Toyota has a serious issue on their hands and one can only hope they do a better job of "owning up" to their negligence than Ford execs.

And WTF are you talking about, I "would love to see Toyota bankrupt"? Make that up much? I never said anything like that and in fact that is entirely up to the consumer. What I find odd is the protection of foreign entities and the dismantling of domestic ones...
Dismantling of domestics? Nobody dismantled Ford. They're still alive and resilient despite all their setbacks. GM and Chrysler? They dismantled themselves by failing economically on multiple levels. My point is: Let the fittest survive. I don't care if it's foreign or domestic. In a free-market economy Toyota is entitled to a level playing field. If they can't fix this quickly enough, they may suffer the same fate as GM and Chrysler. But I would not bet against them.

Fraser · #35 02-26-2010, 06:29 AM

Anyone see this:

University study suggests the dangers of driving a faulty Toyota are significantly less than other everyday actitivities.

A US university study has revealed there’s more risk of being killed while walking than driving a Toyota with a sticky accelerator pedal.

Carnegie Melon University risk expert Professor Paul Fischbeck has calculated that the odds of being killed in a runaway Toyota is about one in 500,000, while walking down the street is 19 times – or 1900 per cent - more dangerous, than driving the same distance in a Toyota.

‘‘There hasn’t been a discussion about the actual risk of driving one of Toyota’s recalled vehicles,’’ Professor Fischbeck said in a statement released by the university yesterday.

‘‘Even the messages from the [US] Transportation Secretary have been confusing. First, it’s a recommendation not to drive the cars in question at all,’’ he said.

‘‘Then, that was retracted. I think it’s important for people to realise that when you look at the actual risk of driving one of these cars, it’s actually very low.’’

Professor Fischbeck’s calculations showed that the risk of death from driving an affected Toyota increased the risk of a fatality by 2 per cent. Even using a mobile phone while driving presented a higher risk, he said.

The US currently records just over one fatality for every 100 million miles (1.6 million kilometres) driven, with the average vehicle logging about 13,000 miles each year.

Professor Fischbeck said based on these averages, for the 2.3 million Toyotas being recalled, there were about 340 fatalities each year that were not related to the accelerator problem.

‘‘The accelerator problem is adding about six deaths every year to this total - meaning that the accelerator problem is increasing the driving risk by about 2 per cent,’’ he said.

‘‘Thinking about risks in terms of gambling, the chance of dying in a year because of the accelerator problem is about two in a million.

‘‘This is the same as flipping 19 coins one time each and getting 19 heads.’’

Wagner · #36 02-26-2010, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by StanF18

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Not sure what you mean by the ... guess you want me to reply to it, OK

You just said context counts, context is...I was talking about 2010 not 2000. And what I mean by 'dismantling' is this, the public had zero issues in the late 1990's with the media ripping apart domestic auto makers but to have congressional folks come out and say 'take it easy on Toyota'? Please.

I say this because I was in college during the Ford debacle and was doing speech debates on Ford/Firestone and the media impact on the product. Just pushing against the grain

IMO "we" seem to be far more favorable as a group when it is a foreign industry that comes under fire, and far harder on the USA version. This is a total side bar now, but just look at all the threads on this forum that attempt to blame E53 issues on being built in the USA

Again, not to wrestle the point but I see a bias, and that is where I was going in post #3.

And to the one other guy who keeps trying to insinuate that hearing on Toyota have something to do with ObamaMotors, ah, so is there ObamaBaseball and ObamaOil and ObamaBCS

This is the one instance where political ideals have very little to do with the topic.

Wagner · #37 02-26-2010, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Viperfreak2

True. The number (34) is also inflated. They include the 4 people killed in the famous 911 phone call car. That was driver and 3 passenger error. I don't know how 4 people in that amount of time could not think to put the car in neutral. Sorry, 5 people. The 911 operator also. They chose to pray, instead of think.

There is also the dishonesty factor, now that Toyota is in the media spotlight. What do you think happened here?:

BATON ROUGE, LA (WAFB) - A Toyota Tundra crashed into the showroom at All Star Toyota on Airline Hwy. near Goodwood Blvd. in Baton Rouge on Saturday morning. Officers said a customer tried to return his truck following a recent recall on the accelerator.
According to the Baton Rouge Police Department, the general manager offered to fix the truck and repeatedly offered to give the customer a loaner in the meantime, but the customer declined and left the building. Police reported the man then drove his Toyota into the side of the dealership, causing major damage to the truck and the building.
The customer claimed his accelerator became stuck, causing the crash. All Star said the truck was purchased last March and did not have any records of mechanical problems.
Police added the accelerator was not stuck when they examined the truck after the crash, but they could not find any evidence that the crash was intentional. The driver was not ticketed.

Just smoke on the water, the issues are there. How many of those late 90's Ford/Firestone issues would have been avoided if Soccer moms weren't driving their SUV as though it handled like a F1 car?

Viperfreak2 · #38 02-26-2010, 09:06 AM

Understanding the limits and operation of a car would save thousands of lives. I am not sexist, but a lot of women have no clue that different cars have different limits.

JCL · #39 02-26-2010, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Viperfreak2

Understanding the limits and operation of a car would save thousands of lives. I am not sexist, but a lot of women have no clue that different cars have different limits.

Sure sounds sexist. I think that a lot of people of both genders have no clue that different vehicles have different limits

Viperfreak2 · #40 02-26-2010, 04:51 PM

Let me say it this way, a lot of men have a section of their DNA strand that makes them crave driving on the edge. Soccer moms and gay men are usually more interested in wedding cakes and shoes.

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