F#CK the *cure*...Find the CAUSE - Page 11

tynashracing · #**101** 11-14-2012, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by motordavid

Tynashracing,
You brought up the vac card again. I agree with my GWN amigos: that link and its 'facts' and 'points' is akin to the months of political ads we just lived through. Lots of frags, things out of context, and general gibberish unless one is caught up in the 'let's hunker down, live off the termites in the crawl space, and out wait the gov't plan to eradicate all of us good people', ...

Besides the fringe 'news sites' and links, and the imo, suspect links here is a question: Do you really feel that there is a group or gov't agency(s), or subversive collection of under the radar people that want to target you or your family or your friend's physical well being?

By that, I don't mean some Big Pharma or local generic brew mill screwing up a drug; I mean a concerted effort by some group or company(s), or agency to make bad food, bad drugs, incorrect health care, inject our environment intentionally, in order to harm you, me, us? Carbon emissions and toxic materials released in the normal or abnormal course of biz, manufacturing, accidents, etc. don't count.

Remember, I don't really like much about 'government', at any level, but I realize I would have an arduous time trying to keep my lifestyle and even stay alive, with 'them', so save your typing on I need to be released...
GL, mD

I understand the consequences of quoting anything from a "fringe" news site. Do you think that the "establishment" would give that guy the opportunity to display his work? Of course not...it's seems it's these "fringe" sites that allow people to question the establishment.
I've said before that I don't swallow everything they say hook, line and sinker. I do think though that there are legit questions raised. Each reader has to digest and think their way through this. Some will immediately disregard such information just because of where it was posted. Some people might look at this as having real potential. It's really no different than seeing govt released figures...some will take the release as being 100% accurate while others question the information. If you question...think about Jack Welch recently...his tweet concerning the release of job numbers before the election. The lash back was massive!!! How dare anyone question the establishment.
What I think is dangerous is when there are questions raised about the establishment...and the questioners are labeled...nuts, quacks, conspiracy theorist, etc. Since when was it wrong to question ANYTHING and EVERYTHING?
If I'm wrong for agreeing with the questions raised, I will admit and move on. But, isn't it healthy to question to keep everyone accountable? I think so.

For the umpteenth time, as for vaccinations...it seems that if these shots are "clean"...it doesn't seem like a bad idea to me. Do we get too many shots today? Maybe so? As I've mentioned, it's not an area that I really know much about...other than what has been posted and how a vaccine scientist, neurosurgeon and others are crying foul. At what point do we question what we're told?

You asked, "Do you really feel that there is a group or gov't agency(s), or subversive collection of under the radar people that want to target you or your family or your friend's physical well being?"

I'm going to answer with a question(s) for you...do you think Agenda 21 is real and if so, is it good?
Do you think GMO's are safe for consumption?
Do you think it's OK to put aluminum, mercury and other chemicals in food, water, air and vaccines?

I personally have serious questions about the implications of Agenda 21. I can see it as a blueprint for a control process. I don't like the direction we are seemingly headed.

One other thing I just thought about...do you know about Codex Alimentarius?

http://www.temcat.com/009-Health-Sec...rius%20101.pdf

Now, I can see how this might sound like a case of sour grapes...but, why snuff out holistic medicine? Isn't it my choice to decide? I guess not if they get their way?!

I'm not suggesting that we not have govt. My concern is who's interest is being served by our govt today? Seems to me that it's a lot less about my individual rights and more about corporate rights.

I don't know man, lots of questions for sure.

HOWEVER, it's important for me to say....there is a lot of good in this world. Family and friends and the experiences we share is the most important aspect of my life. We're here to support one another...not tear down. Sadly, I've found myself on the tearing down side from time to time and I'm not proud of it. I suspect that even as hard headed and manipulated as I might seem...I'm worthy of sharing a laugh, a drink and thoughts with you and others about our experiences. My guess is that you'd probably actually like hanging out with me.

We're all trying to find our way through this process of life on earth. There is much good in spite of the issues raised in this thread.

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JCL · #**102** 11-14-2012, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tynashracing

... why snuff out holistic medicine? Isn't it my choice to decide? I guess not if they get their way?!

I'm not suggesting that we not have govt. My concern is who's interest is being served by our govt today? Seems to me that it's a lot less about my individual rights and more about corporate rights.

I don't know man, lots of questions for sure.

Lots of answers too. Start with Snopes. Sorry to have to use another hoax site to respond to your claim of a potential loss of freedom.

snopes.com: Codex Alimentarius

JCL · #**103** 11-14-2012, 05:19 PM

Well, MD can answer for himself, but since you aren't answering my questions or posts, allow me to respond:

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Originally Posted by tynashracing

I'm going to answer with a question(s) for you...do you think Agenda 21 is real and if so, is it good?
Do you think GMO's are safe for consumption?
Do you think it's OK to put aluminum, mercury and other chemicals in food, water, air and vaccines?

Agenda 21 good. Pretty much a motherhood issue. If you are referring to the hoax that Agenda 21 is a global conspiracy (as espoused by the Tea Party, among others) then no, that is bad, as are all hoaxes. The good news is that hoaxes can be shown to be hoaxes. Then we can get back to the original definition of Agenda 21, that of acknowledging our collective impact on the environment.

GMOs can be safe or not safe. Just like any other food. The fact that it is GMO doesn't make it automatically unsafe, IMO. Neither is it automatically safe.

No to putting most of those chemicals in the air and water. See point 1. Yes to some of them, including aluminum and mercury (thiomersal) and certain others, when they perform a useful function in a vaccine, and at the dosage limits designed in to the vaccine. In some cases they are what makes a vaccine function. Other times they are preservatives. Not much point in injecting people with diseases, or a vaccine that is ineffective, is there?

tynashracing · #**104** 11-14-2012, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JCL

Lots of answers too. Start with Snopes. Sorry to have to use another hoax site to respond to your claim of a potential loss of freedom.

snopes.com: Codex Alimentarius

Not sure what that snopes article had to do with anything. They wrote that article well after the fact. I guess someone was saying that the Pres. had signed it? Never heard that one!

tynashracing · #**105** 11-14-2012, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JCL

Well, MD can answer for himself, but since you aren't answering my questions or posts, allow me to respond:

Agenda 21 good. Pretty much a motherhood issue. If you are referring to the hoax that Agenda 21 is a global conspiracy (as espoused by the Tea Party, among others) then no, that is bad, as are all hoaxes. The good news is that hoaxes can be shown to be hoaxes. Then we can get back to the original definition of Agenda 21, that of acknowledging our collective impact on the environment.

GMOs can be safe or not safe. Just like any other food. The fact that it is GMO doesn't make it automatically unsafe, IMO. Neither is it automatically safe.

No to putting most of those chemicals in the air and water. See point 1. Yes to some of them, including aluminum and mercury (thiomersal) and certain others, when they perform a useful function in a vaccine, and at the dosage limits designed in to the vaccine. In some cases they are what makes a vaccine function. Other times they are preservatives. Not much point in injecting people with diseases, or a vaccine that is ineffective, is there?

Agenda 21...motherhood????

OK. I hope mommy treats you well.

JCL · #**106** 11-14-2012, 08:26 PM

Agenda 21: An initiative to recognize the impacts we as humanity have on the environment, and to work towards more sustainable development.

Yes, I consider polluting less to be a motherhood issue. Not sure how it can be seen otherwise.

Unless you are referring to the Agenda 21 world control hoax, as opposed to the Agenda 21 action plan from 1992. The one that says we should probably pollute less.

tynashracing · #**107** 11-14-2012, 11:57 PM

http://www.didyouknowonline.com/file...RESOLUTION.pdf

http://www.didyouknowonline.com/file...0Responses.pdf

JCL · #**108** 11-15-2012, 01:09 AM

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If you want to understand just how extreme and conspiratorial many in the mainstream Republican Party have become, look no further...

Full article here:

Republican Party Officially Embraces 'Garbage' Agenda 21 Conspiracy Theories As Its National Platform | ThinkProgress

This isn't actually a political post. We have a separate forum for that, appropriately titled Politics. The attached article isn't about the Republican platform, but rather about how ideas like Agenda 21 being a global conspiracy are entering mainstream organizations like the Republican Party.

JCL · #**109** 11-15-2012, 01:17 AM

Just wondering here.

If one isn't for sustainability, does that imply that one is for its opposite, namely unsustainability? How long can that last?

If one isn't for smart growth, does one actually want the opposite? Seriously?

tynashracing · #**110** 11-15-2012, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JCL

Just wondering here.

If one isn't for sustainability, does that imply that one is for its opposite, namely unsustainability? How long can that last?

If one isn't for smart growth, does one actually want the opposite? Seriously?

This sums up your sustainability issue from someone that lives in America:

The diabolical, green sustainability scam

Taken from the above link...

"In a nutshell, the purposes of the "sustainable development" agenda are to limit people's ability to use their own land as they see fit, to severely curtail people's energy consumption, and to cram people into metropolitan centers (stack 'em and pack 'em) while prohibiting development outside of "approved" land areas, what these "smart growth" Einsteins call "suburban sprawl," as if land development is a bad thing. The agenda aims to corral people into such close quarters that they will be encouraged to walk everywhere they go instead of drive those evil cars.

We see the rotten fruit of this movement all around us, from the dangerous, radio frequency-emitting "smart meters," to low-volume flush toilets, to so-called "energy efficient" appliances (which only means they don't work nearly as well as they used to), to the hideously ugly, tiny cars rolling around on the streets. Green building codes are another sign, and believe it or not, the explosion of bike and walking paths all over the place is yet another sign of the movement.

When you hear terms like "smart growth," "comprehensive planning," "sustainable communities" and "visioning," understand that these are communist code terms that are about nothing more than government control of land use, robbing us of our individual rights and freedoms, and redistributing our wealth to the federal government and to "developing" nations.

In Henry Lamb's Freedom 21 publication, Mr. Lamb explains,

"The goals of sustainable development amount to a complete transformation of American society. Sustainable development embraces education, economics, and social justice, as well as environmental issues. Once the new collaborative decision process has been established, it can be used to develop policy in all these issue areas. Whenever public policy is developed by government-funded advocacy groups, administrators, or bureaucrats, there can be no accountability to the people. Private property rights are eroded and individual freedom evaporates.

Advocates of government control of land use have exerted their influence since long before the term 'sustainable development' was first uttered. The 1976 U.N. Conference on Human Settlements uses the raw language: 'Government control of land use is therefore indispensable.' By 1992, the advocates of government control had learned that words matter, and rather than use words such as 'government control of land use...' they coined terms such as sustainable development, smart growth, and sustainable communities.

It matters not what euphemism is used to shield the reality of government control. Sustainable development, smart growth, and sustainable communities all describe a government-controlled society. Every time a public policy requires a private citizen to ask permission from government, another expression of freedom is destroyed."

This is a broad rundown of the complex and detailed issue of the environmental whacko, "sustainable development" agenda, and it is important that we make an effort to become informed by studying the extensive amount of materials available on the Internet and elsewhere. The good news is that more and more people are becoming aware of this sinister movement and are working tirelessly to inform leaders at the local, state and federal levels. Tea Party groups are doing a good job of this, including our own local South Mississippi Tea Party, which has a special section on its website for Agenda 21 information and has hosted Agenda 21 educational events.

As with most issues in life, ignorance is our greatest liability. An uninformed citizenry is an enslaved citizenry. We must embrace the knowledge we need to combat these communistic efforts to rob our freedoms. The sustainable movement has infested the entire nation, and beating it back will take a massive effort. There is a ton of money and power involved in pushing this radical agenda, and when community leaders cannot resist the handout of federal taxpayer money grants, they place their whole area under the iron thumb of the tyrannical "green" movement.

Politicians on both sides of the political spectrum have embraced this movement. In the story with which I opened this broadcast, one of our Republican Senators, Roger Wicker, was the one who presented the "green" award to the Ocean Springs housing development. He should know better, but apparently he does not.

A good place to start reversing this communist "sustainable" movement is in our local city councils and planning commissions. Many of these elected and appointed officials are ignorant of what these issues mean, and they need to be taught. As with other freedom-robbing initiatives of the communist Left, if we do nothing it will continue to grow ever more powerful.

I will close with another quote from Mr. Lamb's Freedom 21 report,

"The current attack on America's freedom is not with bombs and bullets from foreign tyrants. It is from an internal enemy of freedom that is just as vicious and much more sinister. America is a nation created expressly to defend and protect the freedom of its citizens. Any system of government that replaces that freedom with government control is an enemy.

Sustainable development, as defined in Agenda 21 and the documents published by the President's Council on Sustainable Development, cannot exist without government management and control. To the extent that local, state, and federal government yields to the demands of sustainable development, freedom is diminished. To the extent that local, state, and federal government rejects the principles of sustainable development, freedom is advanced.

The only power on earth sufficient to constrain a government out of control is the determination of an informed, involved, and inspired electorate, exercised at the ballot box."

© Gina Miller"

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