the cavemen did not have much of impact on the surroundings... but.. the wooly mammoths are gone... so.. the cavemen grow into a bigger society and the local cave's shaman realizes, that he does not have to hunt for food, all he has to do is BS his way around and the hunters wil bring him the food...

fast forwards a bit... now we have pharaohs, at the top of the food chain, who force a lot of people into servitude, with the help of the next tier of privileged, the nobility, who manipulates the next layer, the soldiers who keep the general populace at bay... the environmental impact is less noticiable, but the politics are born, as the underdog elite, the priests (the shamans!!), are the ones installing and removing the pharaohs, to futher their agenda, such as getting the resources without extending much of effort (granted, the temples kept the corporate knowledge)... the priest are doing their deeds with the help of "gods", and they manipulate the "public opinion" - this pharaoh was bad by the gods and they struck him down, and they installed the other pharaoh, who is good by the gods... the pharaoh is just is a marionet in the hands of the priests...

fast forward, say to our times... we have democracy but not direct popular vote... the last standing european dictatorship, Belorus, has direct popular vote... our military fights communist ideas but lives in a communist bubble of free education (heavily subsidised), free medical, early retirement - i find it very interesting how can society give them the communist perks and charge them to fight communism?...the priests have changed their ropes and now they are corporate barons, they still like the idea to get the resources and not hunt for them... when in Rome, do as romans do - and the romans wanted bread and entertainment... so, you have the football, the baseball (and Congressional hearings about how to play those games, as the Congress has no OTHER things to worry about), and then you need to feed the masses - the well fed do not revolt... so, the priests.. errr... the corporations invent preservatives, that extend the shelf life of any given product, and the store shelves are full of all kinds of food... the quality of the food is not the same any longer, but hey - your body can't tell the difference... wait... was it corn syrup? or sugar? anyways... do as romans do - keep the legions occupied, do not let them back into metropoly, have them fight wars, overfeed your population, relax, rule the world, enjoy the life...

hahaha, i went waaay out on the limb with this one, didn't i?

ohh... and since the romans are too fat to work, let the provinces do their work for them... i mean, let the chinese built toys for the kids, computers for the grown ups... bangladeshese will dress everybody up...
you know, if the chinese government will decide to open up their DIRECT distribution stores in the US, and sell the goods that they manufacture in China for the US market directly, at a 10% markup, they will UNDERCUT all the prices in the US - the WalMart or Target will look like super luxury outlets in comparasion to the chinese direct store, while selling identical crap...

you guys started an interesting subject but it came down to petty stuff real fast...

there are facts, regardless of the media - it could be carved in stone or exist in electrons in some virtual clouds - the sky is blue due to laws of optics...

there are chemical preservatives in the food that kill people... some of them are addictive... corporations can provoke wars - we go to save Kuwait from hussein (oh my God, oil has NOTHING to do with it!!!!), and we are not bombing moscow for athrocities in Chechnya... and Darfur goes unnoticed...oh... yeah.. no oil in darfur...

follow the money (greed has moved this world, greed and lust), and half of the conspiracy theories will be resolved... follow the energy sources and food - and the other half of the conspiracies will get resolved...

after we resolve those - the only one left, will be the Roswell - are there aliens at the base 51???

TerminatorX5...I agree with what you're saying about following the money and energy/food.
Consider this though. Where does money come from? Who issues that money? Who controls how much money is in the marketplace?
If you understand these basic things about fiat currency, then you will quickly understand that money is NOT the objective of the controlling elite...they can create it out of thin air.
Money is for the rest of us to wage their wars, destroy our food, water and air. It's used as a control system that is multi-layered. It is worshipped today. Think I'm crazy...try to live without it! If it's not worshipped, wouldn't we stop pursuing money when we could have our basic needs met...nope, we want more...most of us anyway.
We are enslaved, made stupid, docile and sick with all the various chemicals in food, water, air and lets not even talk about the TV and the trance inducing state it brings. One more thing...I've heard it said that we are being made into beings that are using less and less of our right brain. The ultimate control is to reduce someone down to using the left side of their brain. Gotta see it to believe...gotta touch it...right, the 5 senses. The 5 senses can easily be manipulated and controlled!

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If some people were stronger on the left side of their brains, they would be more rational, logical, objective, and analytical. I'm not sure about being more easily manipulated, maybe a little more of those skills would be a good thing?

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tynash- one question, so I can determine if you are a whack job or not:

Do you believe children should be vaccinated? Say the standard US vaccination set.

Yes or No


The reason I ask is that- unlike the stuff you and JCL are 'discussing', the jury is in on vaccines.

Just curious

Are we talking about "clean" vaccinations or what the masses receive???
It's obvious that there are issues with the vaccines given to the general public. The elite can get "clean" vaccines...but, not us.

From my non scientific base of information...I'm sick that my kids got vaccines back in the early '90's. Fortunately, they survived...no complications discovered...YET. Sadly, the system is fixed to force vaccination unless you're home schooling. If my wife and I could do it again...we'd home school and no vaccinations! What you do for your kids is your choice. But, if you do choose to vaccinate...don't fear those that choose not to do so...after all, if you're vaccinated, you should have no worries with contracting the disease, right? But, the system cries bloody murder if your child comes to school without all their shots. WTF?

Honestly, I really don't care what anybody thinks about me.

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I'd say that is a no. So, what is the verdict?

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It's a NO with a caveat. *If* vaccines were clean...I'm for it and can absolutely see the benefit.

Unfortunately, reality is these things are laced with substances known to be harmful to our brains.
In some cases, live polio was given in vaccinations...not cool!

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