F#CK the *cure*...Find the CAUSE - Page 12

JCL · #**111** 11-15-2012, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by tynashracing

This sums up your sustainability issue from someone that lives in America

That is the control hoax and conspiracy theory that I mentioned above. Yes, I've heard of it. What utter nonsense. It says a lot about the writer.

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Originally Posted by tynashracing requoting Gina Miller

As with most issues in life, ignorance is our greatest liability

If ignorance is a liability, then Ms. Miller is seriously overdrawn.

We have a whole new batch of conspiracies to debate now, as introduced in the post above:

* Land use planning by municipalities is a Communist (UN) plot
* Smart meters kill us with their EMF
* Low volume flush toilets are part of the plot
* Energy efficient appliances are part of the plot
* Tiny cars are being forced on us by the UN. And they are ugly, besides.
* Building codes that promote energy efficiency are a way of controlling us
* Bike paths and walking paths are a Communist (UN) plot
* It is all a way of redistributing wealth
* Education, economics, and social justice are secret weapons of the Communist UN. They are everywhere. Trust no-one.
* The Tea Party is our saviour
* Green is the new Red (Menace)

This should keep us going for awhile. Pick your favourite to debate. And we got a whole cut-and-paste poste without a single mention of vaccinations or fluoride!

For any discussion on whether the Republican Party adopting some of the above in their 2012 platform impacted the results in the recent US election, recommend we move it over to the Politics forum. General conspiracy and control discussions could perhaps carry on here. I think that Communist plots in general are probably fair topic for the conspiracy discussion, while the benefits (if any) of Communism should similarly be in the Politics forum. There are all just tongue in cheek suggestions. I am having trouble taking some of it seriously.

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motordavid · #**112** 11-15-2012, 07:05 PM

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You asked, "Do you really feel that there is a group or gov't agency(s), or subversive collection of under the radar people that want to target you or your family or your friend's physical well being?"

I'm going to answer with a question(s) for you...do you think Agenda 21 is real and if so, is it good?

I think the premise is 'good', but idealistic, impractical in putting into effect, and since it's a UN thing, (3rd World Supper Club, imo), its 'adoption', let alone any kind of real subscription or 'enforcement' is slim to none, and Slim's on the bus.

Do you think GMO's are safe for consumption? Probably, to yes I have no concern with GMO foods. I'm 65, smoke a few butts on occasion, drink wine, work out; something is gonna get me in the next... my concerns with GMOs havw to do with lack of/or crappy labelling, their potential effect on similar crops/organisms, and the slightly creepy push they get from the GiantAgs, eg Monsanto, et al. Not anti-big biz, but they, like Big Pharma, don't necessarily have our long term concerns in their corporate hearts. Back at the GMO ranch, people have been cross breeding and hybridizing plants and animals to a fare thee well for a couple hundred years, but I guess that's 'natural' vs GMO.
Do you think it's OK to put aluminum, mercury and other chemicals in food, water, air and vaccines? All those chemicals, (as all 'things' are chemically based), go into, seep into, float into our environment every day, though I suspect there is 'less' these days in US/CDA then there was a couple decades ago. And, those chemicals, in the proper amount, add benefits to many items, food and non food. Simplistic, but so was your question "...think it's OK to put"...

I personally have serious questions about the implications of Agenda 21. I can see it as a blueprint for a control process. I don't like the direction we are seemingly headed. See my comment above; it's UN orgin basically, and not going anywhere, imo. Your Repub ref was lmao funny! The Rep or Dem 'party' could not agree on what time to go to lunch or where, within their own parties. Grover Norquist, et al, are having nervous breakdowns right now, and None of us should give a flying fook what either 'party' has for a 'platform', or likes or unlikes, here in 2012 and beyond, imo.

One other thing I just thought about...do you know about Codex Alimentarius?

http://www.temcat.com/009-Health-Sec...rius%20101.pdf

Now, I can see how this might sound like a case of sour grapes...but, why snuff out holistic medicine? Isn't it my choice to decide? I guess not if they get their way?!

Glanced at it until my eyes glazed over, and I am usually fairly focused on taking in 'info'. I have no prob with people seeking alt med. In the end, nothing will prevent the Eternal Footman, for each of us.

I'm not suggesting that we not have govt. My concern is who's interest is being served by our govt today? Seems to me that it's a lot less about my individual rights and more about corporate rights. No freakin kidding! I left most of my idealism on the steps of the U, when I left, circa 1970. You are preaching to the choir, (funny analogy for me being an atheist), as 'my interests' are seldom 'served' by gov't.

I don't know man, lots of questions for sure.

HOWEVER, it's important for me to say....there is a lot of good in this world. Family and friends and the experiences we share is the most important aspect of my life. We're here to support one another...not tear down. ...[/QUOTE]
Now you are are the proper, correct and human track!

And, you never answered my question: Besides the fringe 'news sites' and links, and the imo, suspect links here is a question: Do you really feel that there is a group or gov't agency(s), or subversive collection of under the radar people that want to target you or your family or your friends' physical well being?

GL, mD

tynashracing · #**113** 11-16-2012, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by tynashracing

And, you never answered my question: Besides the fringe 'news sites' and links, and the imo, suspect links here is a question: Do you really feel that there is a group or gov't agency(s), or subversive collection of under the radar people that want to target you or your family or your friends' physical well being?

GL, mD

Physical well being...like them putting poisons in water, food, air and vaccines? Heck yes. I don't think it's personal...I think they'd like to see massive amounts of people sick or dead.
Ha, ever heard Ted Turner open his mouth? How about Bill Gates?

Yes, there is a bit of irony with those that smoke, drink, eat all the wrong foods, etc. that live past life expectancy. And conversely, those that do everything "the right way" that die young. It's a funny world for sure.

motordavid, consider the advances in technology in the last hundred years. Pretty significant, right? Now consider cancer research...how much money has been thrown at cancer research? Not a cure in sight. Just more walks, runs, ribbons and t-shirts.

And so it seems I've finally come full circle.

tynashracing · #**114** 12-09-2012, 11:30 AM

Just finished watching this interview with Aaron Russo. Wow. This gives a pretty good overview of the control system I spoke of in this thread.

God help us...we need more Aaron Russo's! I'm going to watch "America Freedom To Fascism" and "Mad As Hell".

Sadly, I think this was Aaron's last interview prior to his death.

Reflections And Warnings - An Interview With Aaron Russo {Full Film} - YouTube

JCL · #**115** 12-09-2012, 02:38 PM

Would be more interested in seeing an interview with Russo if it didn't have Alex Jones continually opinionizing.

After the first few minutes, I scanned through it. Why does he say that all the federal banks in the G8 are privately owned?

tynashracing · #**116** 12-09-2012, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JCL

Would be more interested in seeing an interview with Russo if it didn't have Alex Jones continually opinionizing.

After the first few minutes, I scanned through it. Why does he say that all the federal banks in the G8 are privately owned?

Did he say all "federal" banks or *Central* banks?

I think it's Central banks that are all privately owned.

motordavid · #**117** 12-09-2012, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by tynashracing

Did he say all "federal" banks or *Central* banks?

I think it's Central banks that are all privately owned.

I thought you had mentioned you are in 'finance'? Did you ever take the usual Money & Banking course reg'd for any biz or fin major?

Yes, Central banks are 'privately owned', if one considers all governments to be 'private'.

Lots of info on Central Banks...here is a 101 level snippet from Wiki:
Central bank - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

tynashracing · #**118** 12-09-2012, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by motordavid

I thought you had mentioned you are in 'finance'? Did you ever take the usual Money & Banking course reg'd for any biz or fin major?

Yes, Central banks are 'privately owned', if one considers all governments to be 'private'.

Lots of info on Central Banks...here is a 101 level snippet from Wiki:
Central bank - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

First, I was referencing the video that I posted. I think JCL has mistaken the term "federal" banks. I've yet to go back and watch the vid again...but, from my recollection...it was Central banks that were discussed as being privately owned.

Let me be clear....the Central bank in the USA is PRIVATE. The Federal Reserve is PRIVATELY OWNED...it's not a govt entity.

I'm not sure why you're referencing governments and Central banks together...as if they're a part of govt.?! I don't know what you're saying MD?

motordavid · #**119** 12-09-2012, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by tynashracing

First, I was referencing the video that I posted. I think JCL has mistaken the term "federal" banks. I've yet to go back and watch the vid again...but, from my recollection...it was Central banks that were discussed as being privately owned.

Let me be clear....the Central bank in the USA is PRIVATE. The Federal Reserve is PRIVATELY OWNED...it's not a govt entity.
I'm not sure why you're referencing governments and Central banks together...as if they're a part of govt.?! I don't know what you're saying MD?

Maybe we are quibbling over definitions and terms, and I was poking as you have announced yourself as a 'I am in finance' several times.

'Central Banks', in most countries are governmental at the least, in every case I am aware of.

The 'central bank' of the United States, may be referred to as the Federal Reserve, imo. As you probably know it is comprised of federal banks and state chartered banks and some quasi-public banks that fall under its 12 geographical jurisdictions. So, in that respect it is 'private', but a not for profit overseer.

Its Fed Open Mkt Comm & Board of Governors, are the mgmt people whispering in the Fed Chairman's ear, and that 7 member BoG is appointed by a prez. Their decisions need not be approved by Congress or any prez...they are 'overseen' by Congress. They are not funded by the government, but they aren't exactly 'private' eg a private, for profit company, other than its members are all probably quite wealthy.

I had heard about Russo and his stuff; when I have an hour and a half to kill, I may watch more than the cursory skim I gave it. Back at the Rant Ranch, their is little to nothing any of us can or will do to 'change' most of those issues, imo.

JCL · #**120** 12-09-2012, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by tynashracing

Did he say all "federal" banks or *Central* banks?

I think it's Central banks that are all privately owned.

Federal = central in my comment. I was talking about the G8, not just the US. In Canada, our central bank is owned by the federal government.

Better check your info on the G8. The central banks aren't all private. And even in the US, it isn't private in the way you suggest. See MD's comments above.

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