Originally Posted by Ricky Bobby

Slick I feel bad for you especially living in NYC and trying to enjoy the fall weather on your supersport (what do you ride btw?). Most of you know that I am a die hard enthusiast rider, I had an SV650 for a couple years, then traded up to the now discontinued SV1000 (think Suzuki's version of the RC51) for a couple years, and although I LOVED my literbike twin sportbikes, I stopped riding sportbikes for 2 reasons, although it killed me because they are so much fun and really make you imrpvoe your limits as a rider.

1) My gf (now my wife) at the time had no interest in joining me as a passenger on a sportbike, due to the riding position, etc, I agreed with her, sportbikes although they include a pillion are not comfortable for 2-up riding. I had to get something that I could enjoy solo, as well as enjoy with her as a passenger (and not a burden passenger leaning on your back!)

2) I was sick and tired after 5 years of being asked "how fast can you go on your crotch rocket?" I almost punched guys a few times for being so ignorant, first of all it was a V-twin sportbike, second of all any asshole can go fast in a straight line. I also was sick and tired of being involved and associated with that Ruff Ryders/ "thug sportbike" crowd I referenced earlier in this thread.

So now with my Triumph Thunderbird Storm, I fly a little more under the radar, still have a shit ton of power between my legs, although with a more comfortable ride I enjoy solo as well as 2-up. Can I lean as far? Nope. Do I not get hassled by cops, EVER? Yep. Do I want to add a naked bike to the stable (Triumph Speed Triple) for someday going on solo, more spirited rides by myself? Absolutely, but I'm glad I got rid of the sportbike and the stereotypes as well.


And I normally agree with you on most things, but as far as the "if the RR driver was carrying in the vehicle" line goes, I respectfully disagree.

We can all agree that you are not going to stop illegal thugs with illegally obtained guns, hell in this case we can't even expect them to have licenses, registered bikes, let's not even ask if they are insured!


However, I beg to differ that if NY were a state where you are allowed to carry in a vehicle as long as you have proper Firearms ID and it is a legally obtained weapon, and upon a traffic stop the first thing you do is identify to an officer that you are carrying in the vehicle, there might have been a more level playing field here.

Throw this same situation in Texas, the thugs will be EXACTLY the same. unregistered bikes, most likely a couple of them with an illegally obtained weapon. They would think twice about assaulting the vehicle and coming after the driver if they were met with gunfire down there, as most drivers and citizens carry a firearm in their vehicle.


Yes, you're right as well that there is a chance that if he drew a weapon the ones who had weapons might have drawn down as well, but just the fact that he surprised the mob by drawing his own weapon (if he was allowed to legally carry one in the vehicle) might have bought him enough time to get out a bit safer, and would have made the thugs think twice about chasing him down for miles and pulling him from the vehicle and beating him down on a busy street.



Just my 2 cents, you need not agree. But I for one would have felt a lot safer with my firearm in the vehicle if I was met with a mob like this, if for nothing just to keep them at bay while I tried to exit, and to make them think twice about dragging me out for a beating. No matter how many guys you have, are you gonna charge at a guy pointing a gun at you and not expect to induce some damage if you attack?


I would like to add that I am a licensed firearms owner in NJ and own 2 handguns currently, NJ laws are a joke as I'm sure NY laws are as well, probably even worse actually (although you really can't get worse than this). In NJ you can only lawfully have a gun in the vehicle for transport if the gun itself is in a locked container unloaded, and ammunition is in a separate locked container, which is not in the center console or glove box. And you may only lawfully do this in state if you are travelling to the gun range or gunsmith, and you may not make any unnecessary stops to or from.

As far as in the car goes but travelling across state lines, you must obey the laws of the state you are going through as far as having a firearm in the car goes (say if you were going to a friends house in NC, and wanted to shoot some rounds while you were down there), but again once you cross over into NJ, you need to get back to your destination (home) with your firearms as quickly and as directly as possible, no unnecessary stops or you risk at a traffic stop having a citation issued and possibly firearms confiscated.



Not sure why NY laws are for comparison, I'm sure you would know.

Originally Posted by DunKeL GraU

The NY laws are pretty much the same. And yes NY has some of, if not the strictest gun control laws of any state. The problem here in NY is the prosecution and sentencing of gun offenders. There is little fear of any kind of a strict sentence
If arrested for illegally carrying a firearm in NYC unless you have several prior convictions, of which require them to be for at least one violent crime. So there really is no incentive for a criminal to not carry a gun around. It's sad. And it will get worse here in NYC before it gets better. But that's a story for another thread.

And again my heart does go out to the paralyzed rider. I don't know what his involvement was in this rally, but it may just be that he decided to go along for a ride with people he didn't even know, never rode with before and had no idea of any bad intentions some of the riders may have had.

Originally Posted by Ricky Bobby

That is a hopeful thought Dunkel for the paralyzed rider, he was in the wrong place at the wrong time as well. But if you signed up for this kind of ride where you knew the riders would be blocking on-ramps, removing license plates, etc, you know some shit could definitely go down. This wasn't a "Sunday Funday" kind of cruise in the back roads.

Originally Posted by ard

Correct me if I am wrong, but on the ABC news there is a comment "my brake lights didnt go on"...yet when looking at the tape I could swear I see a flash of brakes as he doest the final slow down, and the SUV hits his tire moments later.

Anyone see this?