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View Poll Results: How will Trumps presidency end?
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Major fail on Coronavirus situation. We need national leadership, not what we currently have.
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Major fail on Coronavirus situation. We need national leadership, not what we currently have.
Looking for a way to view my sent items in pm and stumbled upon this thread.

I agree with you Mancuso. I was beginning to feel i'm one of the few here who felt the orange bang is doing a bad job.
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Looking for a way to view my sent items in pm and stumbled upon this thread.

I agree with you Mancuso. I was beginning to feel i'm one of the few here who felt the orange bang is doing a bad job.
Cheeto-in-Chief is not the only one in leadership role, though I realize his name is on the title of the thread. Blame should be placed on the House and Senate as well. We need new leadership in the executive AND legislative branches. McConnell has to go, Pelosi has to go, Schumer, etc. All the career politicians.

As for the pandemic response. Trump's been bad. But I believe anyone would have been bad under similar circumstances. Obama had a planning/response team but there is no crystal ball to see how well anything they recommended would have been implemented. I certainly would have preferred Trump keep the team. But I would have preferred Obama do things that he promised and didn't deliver on as well.

I am about as "down the middle" as it comes when politics are involved and will give credit (or blame) when due. I hope it reads that way. I want Trump out of office because he's an embarrassment. But I would be lying if I said I voted for Hillary in the last election. Was forced to vote third party, and with the nomination of a Biden, it looks like the Democrats have learned nothing.

My unfortunate prediction to stick to the title of the thread, is 4 more years of the spray tans.
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Cheeto-in-Chief is not the only one in leadership role, though I realize his name is on the title of the thread. Blame should be placed on the House and Senate as well. We need new leadership in the executive AND legislative branches. McConnell has to go, Pelosi has to go, Schumer, etc. All the career politicians.

As for the pandemic response. Trump's been bad. But I believe anyone would have been bad under similar circumstances. Obama had a planning/response team but there is no crystal ball to see how well anything they recommended would have been implemented. I certainly would have preferred Trump keep the team. But I would have preferred Obama do things that he promised and didn't deliver on as well.

I am about as "down the middle" as it comes when politics are involved and will give credit (or blame) when due. I hope it reads that way. I want Trump out of office because he's an embarrassment. But I would be lying if I said I voted for Hillary in the last election. Was forced to vote third party, and with the nomination of a Biden, it looks like the Democrats have learned nothing.

My unfortunate prediction to stick to the title of the thread, is 4 more years of the spray tans.
Maybe not. I think Biden will win it. You have a president who has been investigated by a special counsel, impeached, and then botched the government responses to the cv outbreak.

Not to mention the economy went from great to worst in recent history.

People who were hurt financially and physically during these 4 years will vote to get him out.

I think that number has grown to the tipping point.
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We'll see. I think people will not attribute the economy to him but to CV19. Rightly so. The economy would have tanked no matter the administration. Businesses can't close for 45-90 days without cutting jobs and earnings expectations. Small businesses likely shutter. I would have rather than take any ppp loans. Government is terrible at administering these types of programs. See the stimulus/recovery payments, unemployment, etc. Unless you are big business the money flows downhill slow as molasses.

But I could be wrong. November is not far away. I'm betting a lot of Democrats don't even go to polls due to CV19. Republicans will vote under any conditions.
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We'll see. I think people will not attribute the economy to him but to CV19. Rightly so. The economy would have tanked no matter the administration. Businesses can't close for 45-90 days without cutting jobs and earnings expectations. Small businesses likely shutter. I would have rather than take any ppp loans. Government is terrible at administering these types of programs. See the stimulus/recovery payments, unemployment, etc. Unless you are big business the money flows downhill slow as molasses.

But I could be wrong. November is not far away. I'm betting a lot of Democrats don't even go to polls due to CV19. Republicans will vote under any conditions.
We should take a bet. I'm willing to go as high as a can of Liqui Molly Engine Oil Saver.

If you win you get the liqui Molly.

If I win I get one.
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I think some of the reasons Trump got elected in the first place was some voted for him because they didn't like Hillary, they didn't vote at all or voted for a candidate that didn't have a chance to win. Those that didn't know the true Trump weren't listening or watching. Even so Hillary won the popular vote .The only candidate that could beat Trump was clearly Hillary. If one saw Hillary as evil she was certainly the better of two evils.

As an aside, the electoral college should be eliminated, congress and judges should have term limits, congress should have the same health insurance as we do, salary and benefits should not be extended beyond time in office and they should not be able to vote for their own pay raises.

Many will support Trump regardless of what he does but IMO those that are republicans and see Trump for what hie is should vote for Biden.

I don't think it matters what Obama did or didn't do. It only matters what Trump does. Trump, spokespersons and republicans are great at making comparisons to justify what the Trump administration shortcomings have been by spinning it to an Obama comparison. Here's one: The justification for Trump playing golf during a pandemic when we were reaching a milestone of 100,000 deaths was because Obama played golf during the Ebola 'crisis' that resulted in 15 deaths and was already contained in the US. If one deems what Obama did was terrible all that means is Trump made the same terrible error in judgement to a much larger magnitude.

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Us vs us in the public. As long as politicians have it that way. They're winning. We need it to be us vs them. They work for us, not the other way around.

Both party supporters are blind to the flaws of their politicians. Sad.

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100% agree with all of that.
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We'll see. I think people will not attribute the economy to him but to CV19. Rightly so. The economy would have tanked no matter the administration. Businesses can't close for 45-90 days without cutting jobs and earnings expectations. Small businesses likely shutter. I would have rather than take any ppp loans. Government is terrible at administering these types of programs. See the stimulus/recovery payments, unemployment, etc. Unless you are big business the money flows downhill slow as molasses.

But I could be wrong. November is not far away. I'm betting a lot of Democrats don't even go to polls due to CV19. Republicans will vote under any conditions.
My guess is unemployment will still be high, some level of restrictions will still be in place , the administration will not be helping those in need enough and those working will be struggling to catch up to where they were. The human tendency is to blame someone rather than an invisible enemy.

It seems that democrats are inspired to vote and are telling other voters to vote as well. Plus, no one could have imagine what Trump has said and done. They know the poles were wrong before and won't stay away even if Biden looks like a sure thing. Biden's choice for a VP will make a significant difference on way or another. Bernie is now supporting Biden as is Obama. My guess is the democrats will be out there in force.
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Fingers crossed. We only have 2 parties to choose from. Not much choice if you ask me.
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