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Old 10-28-2021, 06:35 PM
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What a painful post to read especially when it does not support your position. It does not say mRNAs alter DMA or genes.
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Old 10-28-2021, 06:38 PM
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The vaccines are not gene therapy. They do not change genes.

None of us know for sure how many are not influenced by Trump. I have posted my sources. Where's yours?

There is no indication that the vaccines are not safe. Millions upon millions of people around the world have had no problems with the vaccines. I can't imagine what is necessary to be completely sure. Enlighten me.

Thinking for ones self is knowing when one is not qualified to make an informed decision and because of that seeking the expertise in that field.
Are you saying the vaccines are not therapeutics? Are they not genetically modified? You’re saying it is a traditional vaccine, not one that interacts with gene codes?

https://www.genome.gov/genetics-glossary/messenger-rna

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK21603/

Trumps influence is of no importance to me.

I’m not saying the vaccines are safe or not. I am just not in a position at this time to expose my body to those types of therapies until further trials are performed.

I don’t believe the CDC is qualified to say the vaccines are 99.9% safe until further trials are conducted. JMHO.

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I haven't heard anyone say it's my way or the highway. I know I haven't. That is your interpretation. I have provided sources for all my posts. What else would you like that would not be a flimsy argument in your opinion?

No, you have not made those types of statements to me personally. Although, you are very strong in your opinion of those that are unvaccinated and the vaccines in general.

CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, etc. all have this, “my way, or the highway” attitude on certain aspects of this pandemic. That was what I was conveying.
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Old 10-28-2021, 06:45 PM
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I'll take Covid in Floriduh for $100...or "Is DeSantis toast?"

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What a painful post to read especially when it does not support your position. It does not say mRNAs alter DMA or genes.
Ahh.. Here is the misunderstanding. I am not citing the altering of one’s DNA. I am citing that the vaccine in NOT a traditional vaccine, it is genetic therapeutics.

I’ll take my time with this one.
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Old 10-28-2021, 06:50 PM
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No your statement was 100% political and considering Trump has pushed for people to take the vaccine (both in and out of office) shows you to be politically biased.

The statements he posted were not taken out of context unless you believe that when asked if she would take the vaccine Harris said "No, I don't trust any vaccine Trump had a hand in" and you have based your belief on what politifact said she meant instead of using your own eyes and watching the interview yourself.

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I am only biased to facts. I acknowledge Trump fast tracked approval of the vaccine. Politifact was the only reference I posted. It is not my only reference. This is the complete statement Harris made which clearly debunks your conclusion. Your conclusion is based on something taken out of context. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dAjCeMuXR0
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Old 10-28-2021, 07:08 PM
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"You have your freedoms, but I happen to take the vaccine. But it is working. But you do have your freedoms. "

He's trying so hard to tiptoe around the subject and ease the vaccine point in without offending his constituents' feelings.

The point does get lost when you do not have the conviction to sell a product you believe in.

A product he helped create, no less.

Sure glad Biden didn't have Trump's baggage and can sell the vaccine without holding back.

Any participant coming out of that rally is leaving with a mixed message from his/ her leader. I should take it because Trump took it. But wait, he said it's my freedom NOT to take it. So no, I don't necessarily have to take it.

That's a pretty botched job of vaccine endoresment, it's almost painful to watch.
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What a painful post to read.

I have spent 100+ hours researching aspects of this pandemic. I don’t find it painful. I have gained knowledge, I know the average person lacks.

I have however had my eye on Novavax.

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news...vents-covid-19

Check out some of the more recent reports, and let me know your thoughts and concerns for this vaccine.

I think you have an idea of my concerns by now. LoL..
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Old 10-28-2021, 07:13 PM
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Are you saying the vaccines are not therapeutics? Are they not genetically modified? You’re saying it is a traditional vaccine, not one that interacts with gene codes?

https://www.genome.gov/genetics-glossary/messenger-rna

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK21603/

Trumps influence is of no importance to me.

I’m not saying the vaccines are safe or not. I am just not in a position at this time to expose my body to those types of therapies until further trials are performed.

I don’t believe the CDC is qualified to say the vaccines are 99.9% safe until further trials are conducted. JMHO.




No, you have not made those types of statements to me personally. Although, you are very strong in your opinion of those that are unvaccinated and the vaccines in general.

CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, etc. all have this, “my way, or the highway” attitude on certain aspects of this pandemic. That was what I was conveying.
My opinions of getting vaccinated are no stronger than the opinions of those that won't consider vaccination. When what I post is an opinion I will say I think or IMO. The rest are facts often with one of the references posted. Anytime I post something as fact but without a reference feel free to ask for my source.
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I have spent 100+ hours researching aspects of this pandemic. I don’t find it painful. I have gained knowledge, I know the average person lacks.

I have however had my eye on Novavax.

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news...vents-covid-19

Check out some of the more recent reports, and let me know your thoughts and concerns for this vaccine.

I think you have an idea of my concerns by now. LoL..
Only after it gets FDA regular or emergency approval and it is endorsed by CDC will I have an opinion. I trust an NIH study. It sounds great and the maker should know what they are doing. I am optimistic and hope it is approved through normal channels. My guess is it won't change the mind of anti vaxxers but it addresses the storage issue. Efficiency is about the same as the other vaccines. One of the latest developments is the potential need for a fourth dose. I am concerned that if, in IMO, If we need a fourth dose it may be because we don't have a vaccine that has adequate longevity. I wonder how many will stop getting the boosters just as many never went back for the second shot.

Painful to read was the article you posted because of its technical nature. Keeping up with all that is Covid is fun.
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My opinions of getting vaccinated are no stronger than the opinions of those that won't consider vaccination. When what I post is an opinion I will say I think or IMO. The rest are facts often with one of the references posted. Anytime I post something as fact but without a reference feel free to ask for my source.

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The folks that probably or under no circumstances will be vaccinated are more likely republican.

I believe in freedom but as much in justice for all. That has been lost by too many of us in the last few years. It has been lost in-- I can do what I want because I am free to do so. That's not the definition of freedom as it applies to US citizens. Our freedom ends when it infringes on the freedom of others. The unvaccinated are infringing on the freedom of those vaccinated.

The justifications to not be vaccinated are unfathomable to me and so very very sad.
Those are pretty strong views in my opinion.

My reasons for choosing not to get vaccinated yet, are not sad by any means.
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Those are pretty strong views in my opinion.

My reasons for choosing not to get vaccinated yet, are not sad by any means.
key words it is sad to me It is not an opinion it is a feeling.

Certainly I have strong opinions key words in about opinions---no stronger than opposing views.

And the post you referenced is not an opinion. I can post reliable sources if you would like.
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