I'll take Covid in Floriduh for $100...or "Is DeSantis toast?"

[EODguy]

Originally Posted by bcredliner

Now I know why I didn't remember. It had nothing to do with the discussion then. The mission of Brownstone is to find way to prevent lockdown. Seemed a hint of bias.

All the 96 studies are about natural immunity.

So comparing viral loads of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated doesn't count? Studies about breakthrough cases?

I'll post some links individually since you didn't look at the clinical studies only the website which I said had aggregated them and based your uneducated reading comprehension you based your opinion on the aggregator not the scientific studies.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26214839/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34351882/

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[bcredliner]

Originally Posted by EODguy

So comparing viral loads of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated doesn't count? Studies about breakthrough cases?

I'll post some links individually since you didn't look at the clinical studies only the website which I said had aggregated them and based your uneducated reading comprehension you based your opinion on the aggregator not the scientific studies.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26214839/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34351882/

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I suggest reframe from insults they serve no purpose and reflect negatively on your character.

[EODguy]

mRNA vaccines have been PROVEN to have no long term effects.....

I am posting an excerpt from the American Journal of Medicine and am including the reference number.


Am J Med.*2021 Jun; 134(6): 703–704.

Published online 2021 Mar 15.*doi:*10.1016/j.amjmed.2021.02.004

PMCID:*PMC7956899

PMID:*33737059

Frederick L. Hitti, MD, PhDa,⁎*and*Drew Weissman, MD, PhDb

The COVID-19 phase III mRNA-LNP vaccine trials have monitored most subjects for more than 2 months, suggesting that long-term adverse effects are unlikely. Moderna has enrolled >1700 volunteers in 12 previous Phase I/II trials, and they have not reported any long-term adverse events.7*In the Moderna COVID-19 phase III vaccine trial data, the FDA did note an imbalance of cases of Bell's palsy in the vaccine group (n = 3) compared with the placebo group (n = 1). Only one case was ongoing; the rest were resolved or resolving.8*In the Pfizer/BioNTech trial, 4 cases of Bell's palsy were noted in the vaccine group and none in the placebo group. One case resolved and the others were continuing/resolving.9*This rate of Bell's palsy (0.02% for both trials) does not exceed the expected background rate of this disease.

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[bcredliner]

EODguy. Just a recap of how much are views differ. It seems like some of yours have changed. Here's mine.

The vaccines work.
There are 90+% effective.
Boosters are a good thing, not an indication vaccines are not effective.
The percentage of individuals with reactions to the virus is an extremely low percentage. Serious reactions is an extremely small percentage if those that have reactions. The percentage that are life threatening is a small percentage of serious reactions. The percentage of those with ongoing medical issues is an extremely small percentage of those with serious reactions.
Even if vaccinated one should follow the guidelines of avoiding crowds, wearing a mask and washing hands frequently.
I support mandates as long as so many refuse to be vaccinated.
Vaccination is vital to reaching herd immunity.
The larger the number unvaccinated the more likely there will be more mutations.
The larger the number not vaccinated the more likely the pandemic will continue and keep us from getting back to 'normal'.
Crossover cases are an extremely low percentage and usually very mild even without symptoms.
Recommended masks work.
There is some level of immunity for those that have had COVID. It is not the same for everyone. There are no longterm studies that show how long the initial level of immunity is retained.
Vaccinations are still recommended for those that have had COVID.

All points have been backed up with linked studies by CDC, WHO or NIH which review studies and verify information from around the world to determine the necessary appropriate guidelines toward eradication of COVID.

What are your views?

[Maruzo]

Originally Posted by bcredliner

EODguy. Just a recap of how much are views differ. It seems like some of yours have changed. Here's mine.

The vaccines work.
There are 90+% effective.
Boosters are a good thing, not an indication vaccines are not effective.
The percentage of individuals with reactions to the virus is an extremely low percentage. Serious reactions is an extremely small percentage if those that have reactions. The percentage that are life threatening is a small percentage of serious reactions. The percentage of those with ongoing medical issues is an extremely small percentage of those with serious reactions.
Even if vaccinated one should follow the guidelines of avoiding crowds, wearing a mask and washing hands frequently.
I support mandates as long as so many refuse to be vaccinated.
Vaccination is vital to reaching herd immunity.
The larger the number unvaccinated the more likely there will be more mutations.
The larger the number not vaccinated the more likely the pandemic will continue and keep us from getting back to 'normal'.
Crossover cases are an extremely low percentage and usually very mild even without symptoms.
Recommended masks work.
There is some level of immunity for those that have had COVID. It is not the same for everyone. There are no longterm studies that show how long the initial level of immunity is retained.
Vaccinations are still recommended for those that have had COVID.

All points have been backed up with linked studies by CDC, WHO or NIH which review studies and verify information from around the world to determine the necessary appropriate guidelines toward eradication of COVID.

What are your views?

I second BC's take on vaccine and the mandates.

You either take it as a precaution or you don't take it.

I think most people use logic when they decide whether to take it or not.

Do you have pre-existing conditions that could cause your body to react negatively?

In other words does the side effect of the vaccine outweight the benefit for you.

Once you make that determination with the help of your doctor, you are all set.

Follow the CDC guidelines and best of luck to you and your family.

[zonefive]

Originally Posted by bcredliner

EODguy. Just a recap of how much are views differ. It seems like some of yours have changed. Here's mine.

The vaccines work.
There are 90+% effective.
Boosters are a good thing, not an indication vaccines are not effective.
The percentage of individuals with reactions to the virus is an extremely low percentage. Serious reactions is an extremely small percentage if those that have reactions. The percentage that are life threatening is a small percentage of serious reactions. The percentage of those with ongoing medical issues is an extremely small percentage of those with serious reactions.
Even if vaccinated one should follow the guidelines of avoiding crowds, wearing a mask and washing hands frequently.
I support mandates as long as so many refuse to be vaccinated.
Vaccination is vital to reaching herd immunity.
The larger the number unvaccinated the more likely there will be more mutations.
The larger the number not vaccinated the more likely the pandemic will continue and keep us from getting back to 'normal'.
Crossover cases are an extremely low percentage and usually very mild even without symptoms.
Recommended masks work.
There is some level of immunity for those that have had COVID. It is not the same for everyone. There are no longterm studies that show how long the initial level of immunity is retained.
Vaccinations are still recommended for those that have had COVID.

All points have been backed up with linked studies by CDC, WHO or NIH which review studies and verify information from around the world to determine the necessary appropriate guidelines toward eradication of COVID.

What are your views?

There are no legitimate studies to back up anything that you have stated above. Post the best one and I will show you how and why it does not justify your conclusions.

[bcredliner]

Originally Posted by zonefive

There are no legitimate studies to back up anything that you have stated above. Post the best one and I will show you how and why it does not justify your conclusions.

I suggest you go back and start at the beginning of this thread. I have posted expert sources for the statements. The sources are legitimate and accurate. If you want to post information to the contrary have at it. Pick whatever point you feel most strongly about. As mentioned, for your benefit, you should read the whole thread before you post anything.

[zonefive]

Originally Posted by bcredliner

I suggest you go back and start at the beginning of this thread. I have posted expert sources for the statements. The sources are legitimate and accurate. If you want to post information to the contrary have at it. Pick whatever point you feel most strongly about. As mentioned, for your benefit, you should read the whole thread before you post anything.

No time. If you are just going to resort to authority then there is no changing your mind and no hope for you.

[bcredliner]

Originally Posted by zonefive

No time. If you are just going to resort to authority then there is no changing your mind and no hope for you.

What do you mean by resort to authority?

[Maruzo]

https://s2.washingtonpost.com/camp-r...m=1&linktot=56

Most people will get covid. That's how transmittable this latest variant is.

Lately I've been experiencing an overall weariness of the whole covid protocol. I still put on my mask whenever i'm out, but more and more i'm reducing the safety distance, as is everyone else that I can see.

I'm eating out more often now, instead of buying groceries and cooking at home like everyday for the last year and half.

Knock on wood I'm still free and clear of the virus, but I've done my booster way back in October. Home test kits are easy to use and it mimicks the single/ double line design of the pregnancy test kits, which is pretty easy to follow.

I don't know. This pandemic has been so politicized it's hard to quantify exactly the damage it'll cause us all if and when it ever ends.

One of my employees has stopped coming to work for the first time in over 2 years since the virus hits. Everyone suspects she's caught the virus.

One negative thing that i've been seeing is how this pandemic has been used to further many politician's careers.

Their interests are being put first instead of the lives of the average citizens.

It's a sad state of affairs.