Why do Americans support this man?

[Krimson X]

Originally Posted by FSETH

OK, what does that prove? Sometimes he does, sometimes he doesn't. So what? Everyone else was and I didn't read anything that said any of those people didn't know how many states there were and so on.

Ok. So now we've whittled it down to whether or not Obama knows how many states there are in the U.S. He is a Constitutional law scholar and professor for pete's sake!

In pre-school I learned that there were Fifty-Nifty United States. Oh, thats right, Obama was attending a Indonesian Madrasa at that time.

[FSETH]

Originally Posted by Krimson X

Ok. So now we've whittled it down to whether or not Obama knows how many states there are in the U.S. He is a Constitutional law scholar and professor for pete's sake!

In pre-school I learned that there were Fifty-Nifty United States. Oh, thats right, Obama was attending a Indonesian Madrasa at that time.

It is one item in a long list. Give it a rest. His patriotism has been called into question by his actions and words, deal with it.

[chonko]

Originally Posted by FSETH

What is the weather like over there today?

I'm sorry, didn't mean to touch your feelings...

[Wagner]

Originally Posted by chonko

I'm sorry, didn't mean to touch your feelings...

[Krimson X]

Originally Posted by FSETH

My bad. I originally said 3 or 4, but it was two. I am sooooo incorrect. That is laughable.

What about the more serious items on the list such as his long-time racist reverend buddy, the statements by Bidden, Michelle Obama's statements, his lack or experience, his involvement with Acorn, the lies about his relationship with Ayers and so on? Those are very significant items.

I suppoes you can find a website that says he never actually knew Reverend Wright, huh?

What? I didn't go out scouring the internet looking to debunk your flag story. Instead I used your own link against you. No, you are correct on the number of flags removed from the plane. It was four... two on each side of the plane. Where you are incorrect is the reason why the flags had to be removed. Copyright and trademark infringement is against the law.

Bill Ayers: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...ill_ayers.html

Acorn: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...cusations.html

Reverend Wright: That is a fact and Obama has said that it was relevant.

Joe Biden: He was running against Obama for the same position. Didn't McCain, Romney and Guliani go at each other during the republican primaries?

Michelle Obama:

Originally Posted by FSETH

-His wife Michelle Obama is on record saying “People in this country are ready for change and hungry for a different kind of politics and … for the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country because it feels like hope is finally making a comeback.” Don't you think a lot has happened over her lifetime to be proud of? As I read somewhere, what about matters like the victory in the Cold War; how about only things that have made liberals proud — all the accomplishments of inclusion? How about the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1991? Or Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s elevation to the Supreme Court?

“The point is that of course Michelle is proud of her country, which is why she and Barack talk constantly about how their story wouldn’t be possible in any other nation on Earth,” she said. “What she meant is that she’s really proud at this moment because for the first time in a long time, thousands of Americans who’ve never participated in politics before are coming out in record numbers to build a grassroots movement for change.”
But conservative outlets aren’t so ready to let her off the hook.

“Can it really be there has not been a moment during that time when she felt proud of her country?” reads an article in Commentary magazine. “Forget matters like the victory in the Cold War; how about only things that have made liberals proud — all the accomplishments of inclusion? How about the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1991? Or Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s elevation to the Supreme Court?”

Great cut and Paste from Faux News dated Tuesday, February 19, 2008. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,331288,00.html

Are you always this late to the party?


Before you go questioning Factcheck's credibility, here are some interesting fact about Factcheck.org:

The Annenberg Political Fact Check is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania. The APPC was established by publisher and philanthropist Walter Annenberg in 1994 to create a community of scholars within the University of Pennsylvania that would address public policy issues at the local, state and federal levels.


Isn't this the same group that funded the board which Obama and Ayers "palled around" on?

Here is a pic of American billionaire publisher, philanthropist, diplomat, and apparent friend to the Reagans, Mr Walter Annenberg.

[Krimson X]

Originally Posted by FSETH

As I read somewhere, what about matters like the victory in the Cold War; how about only things that have made liberals proud — all the accomplishments of inclusion? How about the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1991? Or Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s elevation to the Supreme Court?

Also I have a question about the declarant's statement above..."only things that have made liberals proud"- lets think about that. Liberals are the only ones that should be proud of the accomplishemnts of inclusion, the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1991, or Ginsburg's appointment to the Supreme Court? Conservatives do not share in this pride?

Something is absolutely wrong about that statement.

[JCL]

Not sure what to add here, but here goes. Making this up as I go....

FSETH, you originally posted an email that has been widely discredited. Individual bullet points in it are nonsense. They are the easy ones to pick out, using sites like factcheck.org. Interestingly, the snopes link you provided proved the point that Obama did not strip his plane of American flags, he removed two trademarked symbols belonging to North American Airlines and kept the US flags on the fuselage.

Yes, Obama had a relationship with Wright. However, when an email smear has a dozen or so claims, and 10 or so are absurd, the one or two that may be deserving of debate get lost in the noise.

My point wasn't to argue about any one of the points, but rather to show that given that some of the content was ridiculous, the overall email didn't have any credibility.

As to the specific questions you asked me:

Does OBAMA have close ties to ACORN? Not in my opinion. I previously addressed the point about the two one-hour classes he taught for their volunteers (I didn't get an answer to my question as to whether that is considered to be teaching people how to fraudulently register voters). Working as a lawyer for them doesn't make him guilty of anything, otherwise we would have to prosecute half the lawyers in the world (hold your opinions on that one, lol).

I have read the story and context about Michelle Obama's comments. Well documented. No, she didn't say she has never been proud of her country before, IMO. I heard her say that she is now (ie, at this time) really proud of her country because of the opportunities available. It has been taken out of context. Again, my opinion, but you asked.

Bidden said Obama would be tested, absolutely. Clumsy speech. I happen to think that whoever is elected will get tested. What Bidden was saying is that there are tough times ahead, and your leader is going to need support for what may be some unpopular decisions. I think that is correct. I say again, I thought Bidden was clumsy in how he said it. But I think the sentiment is accurate, and it applies to both candidates. He asked for support for Obama given the politics of the audience he was speaking to. I don't think it reflects on Obama any more than it reflects on McCain.

Hand over heart has been well documented. Not an issue at all to me personally. May be to some. The longevity of the story tells me more about the campaign against Obama than it does about Obama.

57 states? I guess it comes down to whether he stumbled and said 57 (I didn't see the speech) or whether he really believes there are 57 and wants to argue that he is right, and that is the right number. The former is a non-issue. I have tripped up in speeches before, myself. I think McCain might have, once or twice, too. I do struggle with the concept of a law professor not knowing how many states there are. So, if he wants to argue that there really are 57, then yes, I would be concerned.

I don't get excited personally about the spread the wealth comment. If he is advocating communism, then let's debate that. (oh yeah, we did already). If he thinks everyone should have opportunities to get ahead, I don't see the issue, it sounds like a good inspirational message. Attacking over that one phrase just seems silly to me personally.

Hope that answers your questions.

[svanmeter]

I was very interested to hear last week that with all of his "relationships" with these people, Obama WOULD NOT even be able to become an FBI agent....Food for thought!

[Wagner]

FBI agent, if he had his working credentials/time served he couldn't be a manager at McDonalds

[svanmeter]

Hadn't considered that! I'm still laughing!