Gay marriage banned in Cali..

[FSETH]

Originally Posted by Quicksilver

The local news had an interesting perspective regarding this issue.

Part of the reason for this is the gay movement's continuous reference to the civil rights movement to support their cause. Most African Americans find this analogy insulting. Secondly the shove it down your throat "weather you like it or not" position was another problem for a lot of people.

I know you were just summerizing a news story, but I have to disagree with it.

A) Why would African Americans find it insulting that someone who is fighting for equal rights (which African Americans had to do) would compare their causes? It is the same thing, IMO. A group of people who are being discriminated against for something out of thier control trying to be treated eqaully. Sounds similar to me. Why not compare the two?

B) The shove it down your throat or the "whether you like it or not" position seem like BS. I bet back in the day white people thought that black people were shoving their "blackness" down their throats too.

[Quicksilver]

I can appreciate your opinion however there's enough information written on both subjects that explains why this is the case.

As far as the shove it down your throat thing? You need to live here in the Bay Area and be subjected to San Francisco's Mayor and the perception people have about his method of supporting the cause to appreciate this.

Here are a couple of examples to consider.

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache...&client=safari

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110004846

Originally Posted by FSETH

I know you were just summerizing a news story, but I have to disagree with it.

A) Why would African Americans find it insulting that someone who is fighting for equal rights (which African Americans had to do) would compare their causes? It is the same thing, IMO. A group of people who are being discriminated against for something out of thier control trying to be treated eqaully. Sounds similar to me. Why not compare the two?

B) The shove it down your throat or the "whether you like it or not" position seem like BS. I bet back in the day white people thought that black people were shoving their "blackness" down their throats too.

[FSETH]

Originally Posted by Quicksilver

I can appreciate your opinion however there's enough information written on both subjects that explains why this is the case.

As far as the shove it down your throat thing? You need to live here in the Bay Area and be subjected to San Francisco's Mayor and the perception people have about his method of supporting the cause to appreciate this.

Here are a couple of examples to consider.

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache...&client=safari

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110004846

Good point. I do not live in San Fran, but I think that if gays and lesbians had equal rights across the board then maybe some of the whole "down your throat" thing would die down. Maybe they are doing this because they are angry or trying to get their point across?

I would never say that "in general" gays and lesbians have suffered as much as african americans during slavery and even later on, but equality is equality, IMO. I don't think that there are different levels of it. Either everyone is equal and all groups have equal rights or one group is being discriminiated against. If we made gays and lesbians suffer as much as blacks had to during slavery, then would it be OK? It doesn't make sense to me that one group who had to fight for equality for so long would discriminate against another group trying to gain equality just because they haven't suffered the same. Regardless if they compare the struggle or not. Were most black people on board with equal rights for gays before the two struggles were compared, or did they significantly change their stance on equal rights for gays when gays started comparing struggles? I am not positive on this one, but my guess is that it was never supported on a large scale level and viewed as an equal rights issue by the vast majority of african americans. I could be wrong, I havn't done any surveys, but I don't think most African Americans view discrimination based on race and homosexuality as the same thing and IMO they are. I just think a group of people that were discriminated for so long should come to the defense of another group that is going through any amount of discrimination what so ever. Isn't that what the whole civil rights movement was about? Equal rights?

[lakai]

Originally Posted by blondboinsd

I was very upset about this as I worked very hard on it. I do find much comfort in the million of people who voted for our rights. That is really special to me.

Again, we had lots of mis-informed voters and people who flat out feel a threat from gay people, for those I feel sorry, thats a pathetic way to live, it really is.

I had tons of support and many many people fought for me so that again, means a lot.

Most insulting to me were the ratio of African American's that voted for 8. Must of slept through history class. 70%? So those who always screamed "equal rights" are judging now? Simply disgusting.

At least the margin is much closer this time compared to prop 22 with a 61% yes vs 38% no vote. Just like the way prop 8 was passed, there will be another time for another prop that could change things in your favor.

[realchef]

sorry boi

One day, Knuckles will carry our rings forth.

[Wagner]

So all in all I think 3 or 4 states banned Gay marriage. My next question is, what happens to the 18K people married in Cali? Is that annulled because now it is not legal, it's like me saying I'm married to Jessica Biel ?

[blondboinsd]

Originally Posted by Wagner

So all in all I think 3 or 4 states banned Gay marriage. My next question is, what happens to the 18K people married in Cali? Is that annulled because now it is not legal, it's like me saying I'm married to Jessica Biel ?

The people who got married are still married. They are simply grandfathered in. No new marriages can take place. Due to this it creases an issue that may/should make Prop 8 unconstitutional. Stand By

Yesterday we took a major step back as Californians. A decision I know we (not me or the other 5 million people on my side) will come to be ashamed of. I'm sorry to be a Californian today. I mean friggin Chicken's get bigger cages and we don't get rights? Pathetic California.

[The Cleaner]

Many that I have spoke with are not opposed to gays being recognized as a legally joined couple, they just don't want the union to share the same name as a male/female union.

[Quicksilver]

I can only speak for myself regarding this issue
and i have done enough of that in the past so i will
let it rest in favor of peace.

[Kewl X5]

Of course, the 18 million cracks in the glass ceiling has yet to be broken as well...