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[Eric5273]

Wonderful Job Israel....all they did was help Hamas.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f46a4146-f...0779fd2ac.html

Gaza offensive boosted Hamas, poll concludes

By Tobias Buck in Jerusalem

Palestinian support for the Islamist Hamas movement has soared in the wake of Israel's three-week offensive against the Gaza Strip, according to a poll released yesterday.


The survey, by the independent Jerusalem Media and Communications Center, also found that the majority of Palestinians thought the group had emerged victorious from the conflict. Almost one in two Palestinians said Hamas won the Gaza war, while less than 10 per cent said Israel had triumphed.

The finding is at striking odds with Israeli perceptions of the conflict. The government called an end to the military campaign on January 17, claiming the offensive against the Hamas controlled Gaza Strip had achieved its goals by weakening the group, curbing rocket attacks and restoring Israel's power of deterrence.

Yesterday's poll found that Palestinians in the West Bank were more convinced of a Hamas victory than their counterparts in the Gaza Strip, where more than 1,300 Palestinians were killed and thousands of buildings destroyed by Israeli forces. In Gaza, 48 per cent said neither Israel nor Hamas won the war, and only 35 per cent said Hamas was the victor. In the West Bank, 53 per cent said Hamas won, while 31 per cent said neither side was victorious.

[Dannyell]

Originally Posted by Eric5273

Wonderful Job Israel....all they did was help Hamas.

A good reason for a future invasion I guess...I mean you have to be mentally challenged to think that such an invasion with +1300 death and thousands injured would weaken support for Hamas...but I doubt thats what they were aiming for...

[StanF18]

Originally Posted by pski215

..... you just want to side with any conspiracy theory that pops up when you open your email.

so true

Originally Posted by pski215

you use a regurgitated ideology, you have no experience in the middle east and express idiotic opinions.

How else can he express his undying hatred of Israel and everything it stands for?? He will side with Hamas and defend their tactics with any chance he gets, using extremely twisted and convoluted arguments of moral equivalence. But you have to realize, this is the same individual that's trying to convince us that Al-Qaeda tried to MINIMIZE casualties on 9/11, by crashing into the towers BEFORE 9 AM.

[Eric5273]

Originally Posted by StanF18

He will side with Hamas and defend their tactics with any chance he gets, using extremely twisted and convoluted arguments of moral equivalence.

I resent that you say I side with Hamas or support their tactics. I did nothing of the sort.

You know during the civil rights movement in the 1960s, Malcolm X and many other civil rights leaders called Dr. King an "uncle tom" and said he was siding with the white man by preaching non-violence methods of resistance.

There is a difference between siding with Hamas, and thinking that the best way to defeat Hamas is through peaceful methods.

I believe fighting Hamas only makes them stronger. I think the methods you support help Hamas. If anything it is you who side with Hamas. As is evidenced by the article I just posted last night, the attacks which you supported have greatly helped Hamas. Good job! If I were Hamas, I would hope that people like you decide future Israeli policy.

In the last 20 years, the only Israeli policy that has hurt Hamas was the signing of the Oslo Accords. Following the signing of that peace treaty, Hamas approval ratings among Palestineans dropped below 10% and for the 5 years following that treaty, there was not a single attack by Hamas on anyone. Perhaps you should take a lesson from that in deciding what policies you support, unless you do indeed support Hamas.

For someone who claims to support Israel, you sure don't act like it. You act like someone who wants Israel to be in a war with no end, and would be pleased with such a war. How many more Israelis and Palestineans have to die before you are happy? How much higher does Hamas' approval rating have to go before you are happy? If it reaches 90% would that be high enough, or do you think Israel should aim for a perfect 100%?

[MrLabGuy]

Originally Posted by Eric5273

Wonderful Job Israel....all they did was help Hamas.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f46a4146-f...0779fd2ac.html

Gaza offensive boosted Hamas, poll concludes

By Tobias Buck in Jerusalem

Palestinian support for the Islamist Hamas movement has soared in the wake of Israel's three-week offensive against the Gaza Strip, according to a poll released yesterday.


The survey, by the independent Jerusalem Media and Communications Center, also found that the majority of Palestinians thought the group had emerged victorious from the conflict. Almost one in two Palestinians said Hamas won the Gaza war, while less than 10 per cent said Israel had triumphed.

The finding is at striking odds with Israeli perceptions of the conflict. The government called an end to the military campaign on January 17, claiming the offensive against the Hamas controlled Gaza Strip had achieved its goals by weakening the group, curbing rocket attacks and restoring Israel's power of deterrence.

Yesterday's poll found that Palestinians in the West Bank were more convinced of a Hamas victory than their counterparts in the Gaza Strip, where more than 1,300 Palestinians were killed and thousands of buildings destroyed by Israeli forces. In Gaza, 48 per cent said neither Israel nor Hamas won the war, and only 35 per cent said Hamas was the victor. In the West Bank, 53 per cent said Hamas won, while 31 per cent said neither side was victorious.

This confirms that they are delusional, naive and so out of touch with reality that any negotiation going forward is pointless. Let them have their victory at the end of a sword.

[StanF18]

Originally Posted by Eric5273

"I resent that you say I side with Hamas or support their tactics. I did nothing of the sort."

Oh really Eric? Let's see:

You've just spent countless hours at the keyboard giving justification for Hamas' every deed, on this thread (and on others). You give justification for their morally reprehensible tactics, while bashing Israel's attempt to defend her citizens from indiscriminate rocket fire. You refuse to call Hamas "terrorists", even though I took your bait and clearly defined the term for you earlier. And now, all of a sudden, you deny that you are siding with them???!! Puh-leeze! You can't have it both ways. Your moral compass is skewed 180 degrees. You have condemned Israel at every opportunity, on this thread and on others. You cry foul at their every attempt to protect their citizenry. And what makes these condemnations truly shameful, is that you being Jewish, YOU of all people fail to understand that 70 years ago (before Israel) it would have been YOUR ass in the ovens along with every other Jew.

What you present as "evidence" of Hamas' popularity is not "evidence". It is hearsay. I'm sure if Stalinist Russia took a poll of Stalin's popularity, his approval rating would be 99.9% (with the 0.1% of disapprovers being taken out back and promptly disposed of). Hamas rules through terror, not only of Israelis, but of their own people. So there can be no true "poll" to get inside the mind of Plaestinian civilians. The real "evidence" here is physical, and clear as day for the world to see: the rocket fire into Israel has stopped. Because Israel did what they had to do, and what any sovereign nation would do in that situation.

[Eric5273]

Originally Posted by StanF18

You've just spent countless hours at the keyboard giving justification for Hamas' every deed, on this thread (and on others).

I never gave justification for a single thing they did. If you claim that I did, then please point out the post number and quote where I said they were justified for what they did.\

I simply have pointed out over and over that Israel's strategy is not protecting their people, but instead actually helping Hamas grow stronger. If Israel wants to protect their people, they need a major change in strategy.

Originally Posted by StanF18

What you present as "evidence" of Hamas' popularity is not "evidence". It is hearsay. I'm sure if Stalinist Russia took a poll of Stalin's popularity, his approval rating would be 99.9% (with the 0.1% of disapprovers being taken out back and promptly disposed of). Hamas rules through terror, not only of Israelis, but of their own people. So there can be no true "poll" to get inside the mind of Plaestinian civilians.

Hamas does not rule or have any control in the West Bank. In fact, Hamas rallies are outlawed in the West Bank and many Hamas leaders have been put in prison there. Yet the poll taken shows more people in the West Bank think Hamas won the war than in Gaza. Furthermore, the poll was not taken by Hamas. It was taken by an anti-Hamas, pro-Fatah group based in Jerusalem.

[LobsterX]

Originally Posted by Eric5273

...I simply have pointed out over and over that Israel's strategy is not protecting their people, but instead actually helping Hamas grow stronger. If Israel wants to protect their people, they need a major change in strategy.

And what would that strategy be Eric? Give in to all the demands of the terrorists HOPING that the terrorists would not wipe Israel out of the face of the earth? Im all ears here Eric...(or should I say all eyes...)

[Eric5273]

Originally Posted by LobsterX

And what would that strategy be Eric? Give in to all the demands of the terrorists HOPING that the terrorists would not wipe Israel out of the face of the earth? Im all ears here Eric...(or should I say all eyes...)

Absolutely not. You do what needs to be done to DECREASE the popularity and influence of the terrorists.

The Palestineans want their own country. If Israel wants there to be peace, then they have to demonstrate to the Palestineans that cooperation and peace will bring the Palestineans their own country.

For the past 2 years, there has been peace in the West Bank. Hamas leaders and anyone else that tries to attack Israel has been imprisoned by the Fatah government, and they have done just about everything that Israel has asked. Yet the people in the West Bank are no better off than the people in Gaza, and many Palestineans are starting to grow tired of Fatah's peaceful approach since they do not see it helping any. Fatah will not last much longer in power in the West Bank if they do not produce some visable results for the Palestineans. If they lose power, then Hamas will also control the West Bank.

Israel needs to move forward with a peace plan to grant a Palestinean country in the West Bank. If they do that, then they increase Fatah's popularity and will clearly demonstrate to the Palestineans that the peaceful approach will help them achieve their goals. You will see Hamas' approval ratings go down the toilet, and they will quickly lose power as the people in Gaza turn to Fatah to help them as well.

That is what Israel needs to do. They need to reward those who have been peaceful. You need a "carrot on a stick" approach here.

[pski215]

im really starting to hope your computer dies. Hamas in Gaza kills fatah... as soon as the IDF began their idiotic pull out of Gaza again for this joke of a cease-fire Hamas could be seen shooting Fatah in the legs and torturing them, this is verified by my cousin who is in one of the units that was in Gaza for the long haul. You know how many options for peace have been drawn out? I GUARANTEE YOU if Hamas was smuggling baby food and medicine into Gaza instead of munitions to launch at Israel, the Israel government would have lifted the blockade. Tell my why Egypt is also imposing a blockade on Gaza.. Do you have any idea? Eric you are pathetic, if you went to Gaza you would be killed just as I would. The peace in the West Bank is due to the Military shutting shit for terror networks there is no smuggling. When you travel to Israel or the West Bank I will accept your views however they would most likely change, please check for your birth right trip to Israel since you consider yourself a Jew however do not let them know you dont think Israel deserves the right to exist which is evident in your ignorant posts. You like the college student I shut down at a rally really need to realize that extremists in the Middle East want both of you wiped off the map just as they want me and B-line wiped off the map. SHE HAD FAMILY IN BE'ER SHEVA AND SAID HAMAS WAS RIGHT.... I shut her down by explaining she was supporting the murder of her family, she quickly realized her ignorance and retreated, I wish you would do the same and just not touch a computer or leave your house.