So what did you all think?

[Meiac09]

Mea Culpa.

I fixed it so its not yankee anymore.

[moolis]

If those of you are still wondering why Obama received the Nobel Peace Prize, he got it because when it was decided, Obama was speaking to the world about ending our occupation of Iraq, trying to be more diplomatic in relation to other nations, etc... This is what most of the world was waiting for. Someone to represent the U.S. for the values we always claim to have; justice for all, no torture... Now, I'm not saying that he has achieved that goal. Obviously, I'm not happy we're adding more troops in Afghanistan. We need to get everyone home safely and get our act together here, for all the U.S. citizens. Also, just check out the amount we spend on the military in comparison to everything else. What a bunch of ..... Yes, I know we need a strong military, but come on.

[moolis]

FactCheck.org: ACORN Accusations

[blktoptrvl]

Originally Posted by FSETH

It is just ONE of the reasons that I don't like them and no, I don't agree with squatting on any level. I would love to see the statistics as to what percentage of squatters turn a property into a "community asset" as opposed to crack dens. As far as my property is concerned, there are multiple homes in similar condition/situations in this area. Old homes that are on their last legs where the owners are waiting for commercial/medical offices to go up. All land value. Fixing up the house is a waste of money and the cost of demolition may be negotiated into the sale. Why should I have to go any further out of my way other than keeping the grass at the legal height, boarding up the windows/doors, paying my taxes and posting numerous no tresspassing signs? Oh, that's right. We live in a world where people who do the right things have to take extra steps to protect themselves from scumbags. Just like I have to pay for un-insured driver protection on my car insurance for when some uninsured driver crashes into me.

I see now that your arguement goes back to the whole "Republicans are doing it too" thing. The difference between you and I is that I would hold the Republicans accountable as well if they supported such a group or if this group notoriously supported them. You won't.

So to sum up, because you disagree with Republicans so badly, you willingly defend group that is on video trying to help a prostitute obtain a housing loan for a brothel to house the underage girls she brings into the country, a group that the founder's brother embezzled a million dollars from only to have the organization attempt to cover up the whole thing, a group that encourages people to take what does not belong to them by squatting, a group that commits mass voter registration fraud and so on. That is your choice, but I refuse to do so. Especially if tax payer money is involved. If I liked Obama as you do, I would still not want any money going to this organization.

It seems like we are never going to agree on this topic if you are going to defend ACORN just because the Republicans are on the offensive.

Yes, I am a Christian, but I don't go to church every Sunday or try to preach to everyone. I also believe in gay marriage, women's right to choose and I reserve the right to call someone a piece of sh!t if it is warranted. That is the type of Christian I am. I am not sure what type you of Christian you are, or if you are at all, but should I assume that you have never called anyone a bad name before? It also seems like you were pretty close to judging me there for a minute when I did.

If you think (or read) back, you will see that I said that my problem with most republicans is the hipocracy. So, you say that you would rail against them if they did the same thing. I’ll wait to see it. I guess I could go though this site and look for all the instances where you said something against the republican dogma, but I won’t bother.

You act as if I were criticizing you for some act you did or didn't do. And now you have your back up looking for a fight. Again, please remember that YOU ASKED ME why I support ACORN. I gave you my answer, now you want to critize me because of MY CHOICE. As I said, I defend ACORN because I see nothing that they are doing that is not far out of the norm for what most politically connected groups do and I am tired of seeing them as the republican punching bag.

I have the power to see that this video you speak of is an error within ACORN, one that surfaced because of a staged propaganda event by someone who had an agenda. ACORN failed in that they did not catch this and train their people better. It will be corrected. It is another minor issue that has been blown out of proportion.

You of course want to see this as evidence that ACORN is trying to steal your children and eat your dogs. But since you rail against all equally, I will wait with baited breath to see all your post on how the US taxpayer is being robbed by the many people who are doing it – rather than a continued diatribe against – well, you know who.

Yes, you reserve the right to call anyone a “piece of shit.” That says more about you to me than anything. But I am not your judge. Just someone who judges you to be lacking in class and compassion. I guess the real difference between you and me, is that I do not claim to be a Christian, and no, I would not call anyone a “piece of shit.”

If you want to continue the back and forth, I will be happy to oblige you, but I really don’t see the point.

[FSETH]

Originally Posted by blktoptrvl

If you think (or read) back, you will see that I said that my problem with most republicans is the hipocracy. So, you say that you would rail against them if they did the same thing.

Yes, I would. I already gave a few major issues that I do not agree with Republicans on. Extremes on either side drive me crazy.

You act as if I were criticizing you for some act you did or didn't do. And now you have your back up looking for a fight. Again, please remember that YOU ASKED ME why I support ACORN. I gave you my answer, now you want to critize me because of MY CHOICE. As I said, I defend ACORN because I see nothing that they are doing that is not far out of the norm for what most politically connected groups do and I am tired of seeing them as the republican punching bag.

I am not looking for a fight. I just don't agree with your rationale. I personally feel that there has been enough evidence of corruption in ACORN to be alarmed. Whereas you feel it is par for the course and none of the things already mentioned are that big of a deal.

I have the power to see that this video you speak of is an error within ACORN, one that surfaced because of a staged propaganda event by someone who had an agenda. ACORN failed in that they did not catch this and train their people better. It will be corrected. It is another minor issue that has been blown out of proportion.

I see it more as people were testing ACORN because they have had a horrible reputation for years and this surely doesn't help. Once again, time to be worried.

You of course want to see this as evidence that ACORN is trying to steal your children and eat your dogs. But since you rail against all equally, I will wait with baited breath to see all your post on how the US taxpayer is being robbed by the many people who are doing it – rather than a continued diatribe against – well, you know who.

When that thread comes along and I see it I will.

Yes, you reserve the right to call anyone a “piece of shit.” That says more about you to me than anything. But I am not your judge. Just someone who judges you to be lacking in class and compassion. I guess the real difference between you and me, is that I do not claim to be a Christian, and no, I would not call anyone a “piece of shit.”

Isn't hypocrisy something you don't approve of? Sure, you can make passive aggressive comments to me about class, internet muscle and so on, but you may just be the biggest hypocrite of them all if you say you would never or have never made a derogatory remark in your life. I was just being honest with you about it. Seems you can't be.

If you want to continue the back and forth, I will be happy to oblige you, but I really don’t see the point.

I agree with you on this. We are just going to see this from two different points of view.

[blktoptrvl]

Originally Posted by FSETH

Isn't hypocrisy something you don't approve of? Sure, you can make passive aggressive comments to me about class, internet muscle and so on, but you may just be the biggest hypocrite of them all if you say you would never or have never made a derogatory remark in your life. I was just being honest with you about it. Seems you can't be.

No, Hypocrisy is saying one thing about one group that you don't like and then ignoring the same faults in a different group because they are your friends. Or saying one thing while doing another.

Now you want to put words in my mouth to prove a point? I never in my life have claimed that I haven’t made derogatory remarks. Nor do I claim that I never would. Check all the posts where I say that "Bush is an Idiot." I believe it and I say it.


What I am saying; what I did say is “I would not call any one; and especially any group; ‘A Piece Of Shit.’ That IMHO is low.

[FSETH]

Originally Posted by blktoptrvl

No, Hypocrisy is saying one thing about one group that you don't like and then ignoring the same faults in a different group because they are your friends. Or saying one thing while doing another.

Now you want to put words in my mouth to prove a point? I never in my life have claimed that I haven’t made derogatory remarks. Nor do I claim that I never would. Check all the posts where I say that "Bush is an Idiot." I believe it and I say it.


What I am saying; what I did say is “I would not call any one; and especially any group; ‘A Piece Of Shit.’ That IMHO is low.

You wrote this...

But I am not your judge. Just someone who judges you to be lacking in class and compassion.

That fits your definition of hypocrisy to a T. Just found it to be amusing. Sort of throws your whole arguement about hypocritical Republicans out the window.

Also, keep in mind that when I said piece of sh!t, I was referring to someone who would rip the boards off the house I personally own and pay for while ignoring the multiple no tresspassing signs to try to possess something that does not belong to them. I believe that comment is warranted in this case.

Meiac09, sorry for my part in this thread hyjack.

[blktoptrvl]

Originally Posted by FSETH

You wrote this...

But I am not your judge. Just someone who judges you to be lacking in class and compassion.

That fits your definition of hypocrisy to a T. Just found it to be amusing. Sort of throws your whole arguement about hypocritical Republicans out the window.

Also, keep in mind that when I said piece of sh!t, I was referring to someone who would rip the boards off the house I personally own and pay for while ignoring the multiple no tresspassing signs to try to possess something that does not belong to them. I believe that comment is warranted in this case.

Meiac09, sorry for my part in this thread hyjack.

I am not your Judge, as in your Christian "Judge" who will determine your fate. I am your judge as in I have an opinion of your character - that is my judgement. Never saw a play on words before?

So, you are saying that not everyone who squats is a POS? Just if they squat on YOUR property?

[blktoptrvl]

Later. Not interested in infinite loops.

[FSETH]

Originally Posted by blktoptrvl

Later.

Exactly...