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Old 05-23-2010, 12:38 PM
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Whose complaining about not "enough" minorities involved in NASCAR?
Nobody I know about. I don't see folks marching on the capital about it.
NASCAR even goes as far as having a minority development programs? Please.... Honestly who cares about this.

Your the one who keeps asking where where are all the programs for the aspiring white NBA players? What gives? Doesn't seem fair to me..
I found the analogy of special program by Nascar compared to basketball programs a reach beyond belief.
There are so many basketball programs to develop players it silly to make that comparison to the one or two programs Nascar may have.

Additionally I find the whole argument that when whites make up the smallest percentage of pretty much anything at all in this county,
nobody gives a damn shallow at best.


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I think you are missing my point. There is nothing holding back white people from playing basketball just like there is nothing holding back black people from driving in NASCAR. My point is this, when there are far more whites playing a sport (Hockey, NASCAR, etc) there are always stories about how there are not "enough" minorities involved. NASCAR even goes as far as having a minority development programs. However, when whites make up the smallest percentage of pretty much anything at all in this county, nobody gives a damn.
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Old 05-23-2010, 01:09 PM
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Whose complaining about not "enough" minorities involved in NASCAR?

Krimson did, post #9 where he said "businesses and enterprises in America that discriminate and are segregated" then posted a photoshopped picture.

Additionally I find the whole argument that when whites make up the smallest percentage of pretty much anything at all in this county,
nobody gives a damn shallow at best.
Care to elaborate? Is there an NAAWP that I am unaware of? Have we progessed all that we can?
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Old 05-23-2010, 01:47 PM
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Maybe whoever photoshopped that shirt on the Nascar fan should have wrote WNDA White Nascar Drivers Association. Then on the back in small print "I need to make it unequivocally clear that WNDA not Anti-Black, Anti-Yellow Anti-Brown or Anti-Red, WNDA is however emphatically Pro-White. Please, whatever you do, don't get these two points misconstrued."

and I guarantee that I can dig online and find racist posts towards white people. So once again, sweet photoshop T-shirt to try to prove your point. Also, it was photoshopped onto a fans shirt, not a NASCAR employee. Like I have already said, NASCAR has a program designed to help increase the minority participation int the sport, so better try again. Your Denny's example was probably better.
I admit, the Denny's discrimination is a better example because it was my personal experience . However, you are the only one who knows for certain that the NASCAR photo is photoshopped. If it is, it's a damn good job. RACIST NASCAR SHIRT GUY Talladega Race Fan Sports Racist NASCAR T-shirt

When I say enterprise, that includes the end user and fans that it markets its products to.

BTW, I changed my photo over your concern that it is photoshopped.

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Old 05-23-2010, 02:07 PM
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So Rand Paul basically said that although he abhors racism, the Gov't should not stop private business owners from making the poor decision to discriminate if they choose. Yet he himself is labeled as a racist for it?

I think it would be a poor decision for any business owner to go this route, but if they are dumb enough they probably won't be in businees very long and surely wont make as much money.
Who called him a racist here? Several of us took pains to point out that we are not calling him a racist. The racist card seems to be being played by those defending him, not those questioning him.

The US constitution, and other laws and acts, apparently exist (as conveniently pointed out in a signature line in this thread) to establish Justice, insure domestic tranquility, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty for all citizens. So, the question I have, is whether not having acts like the civil rights act and disabled persons act would provide more tranquility, liberty, etc, or less? Yes, those acts necessarily reduce the rights of some members of society (those who want to be free to discriminate, or to allow their neighbours discriminate, whether or not they agree with that discrimination) while adding to the rights of those who might otherwise be discriminated against.

I found it interesting that one of Rand Paul's comments was that the acts in question weren't necessary, that all these things could be handled 'locally'. It seemed to me that that was dodging the issue, saying that we could have less federal government while adding layers of local government. Unless what he really meant was that they wouldn't be handled at all, in which case he should have just said that.
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Is there an NAAWP that I am unaware of? Have we progressed all that we can?
Yes. But I wouldn't call it progress, as they apparently advocate separation of the races.

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I admit, the Denny's discrimination is a better example because it was my personal experience . However, you are the only one who knows for certain that the NASCAR photo is photoshopped. If it is, it's a damn good job. RACIST NASCAR SHIRT GUY Talladega Race Fan Sports Racist NASCAR T-shirt

When I say enterprise, that includes the end user and fans that it markets its products to.

BTW, I changed my photo over your concern that it is photoshopped.
Neither of those links prove the photo is real. Once again, it was a "fan" of the business you were talking about. Not the business. There are racist fans of every color in every sport. It really wouldn't prove your arguement it were real. Nascar had absolutely nothing to do with the making of that shirt and I would think that most Nascar employee's would have him remove the shirt or remove him from the stands if they had the opportunity. I have been to races and have never seen anything remotely close to that.
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Care to elaborate? Is there an NAAWP that I am unaware of? Have we progessed all that we can?
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Wow, they need to market themselves better. Never heard of them.

In all seriousneess, how was what I said shallow?
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Who called him a racist here? Several of us took pains to point out that we are not calling him a racist. The racist card seems to be being played by those defending him, not those questioning him.
I never said anyone here called him racist. There were some people in the comments under the original article and I would assume that the general consensus is that he probably is due to what he said.
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Yes. But I wouldn't call it progress, as they apparently advocate separation of the races.
See, this is where the line gets blurred. The link I provided above is for Black owned and operated.com. This is there info and mission statement;

BOandO, an acronym for “Black Owned and Operated” is an online consumer and business resource that EXCLUSIVELY PROMOTES, PROFILES, REFERS and ADVOCTATE on behalf of Black Owned or Controlled Businesses, Corporations, Organizations and Institutions.

Our mission is Black Economic Empowerment through business ownership and the significant redirection of Black Consumer Dollars back into the Black Business Community.

At BOANDO, we are unapologetically focused on our own self-interest and elevation up the socio-economic ladder. We are committed to improving our Quality of Life and Building Wealth for Future Generations. To level the playing field and give our Children, Grand-Children, Great Grand-Children the resources they need to compete and succeed in life. We are also here to celebrate the accomplishments of Blacks in America and proudly proclaim that when we Work as a Group, United in Purpose we possess the Intellectual and Financial Capital, Character and Drive to overcome any obstacle and achieve any objective which our history in this country can atest to.

It is not our intention to make visitors to our site feel uncomfortable but for those that do, both Black and Non-Black, I need to make it unequivocally clear that BOandO is not Anti-White, Anti-Yellow Anti-Brown or Anti-Red, BOandO is however emphatically Pro-Black and extremely Pro-Green. In the immortal words of Cuba Gooding Jr,, "show me the money". In a nutshell BOANDO is about Black Economic Empowerment. Not racism. Please, whatever you do, don't get these two points misconstrued.


So, it sure seems to me that when a black group wants to exclude races for advancement of their own race, it is acceptable. However, when a white group wants to exclude others it is segregation. Doesn't seem very fair to me.
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