333,000 Babies Aborted in 2011

[tynashracing]

Planned Parenthood: Over 333,000 Babies Aborted in 2011


Yep, the USA is all about saving the poor innocent lives of children.

This is so sick...I could VOMIT. Amazing how the various Rights of Americans are under attack...but, it's business as usual to protect the killing factories.

[TerminatorX5]

Originally Posted by tynashracing

Planned Parenthood: Over 333,000 Babies Aborted in 2011


Yep, the USA is all about saving the poor innocent lives of children.

This is so sick...I could VOMIT. Amazing how the various Rights of Americans are under attack...but, it's business as usual to protect the killing factories.

the conservatives offer better solution - have 333,000 unwanted babies by forcing their mothers to carry them to the term, and then deny them the welfare, so they can effectively starve to death... and then arm every joe schmoe in a pretense to save the wanted kids by placing arms within the kids' reach... way to go... lol..

when i saw Alex Jones flying off the handle the other day, I thought that he is the BEST spokesperson for the gun control people... he is exactly the type of a person that should NOT have any guns, and he has 50 of them, as he said...

[tynashracing]

Originally Posted by TerminatorX5

the conservatives offer better solution - have 333,000 unwanted babies by forcing their mothers to carry them to the term, and then deny them the welfare, so they can effectively starve to death... and then arm every joe schmoe in a pretense to save the wanted kids by placing arms within the kids' reach... way to go... lol..

when i saw Alex Jones flying off the handle the other day, I thought that he is the BEST spokesperson for the gun control people... he is exactly the type of a person that should NOT have any guns, and he has 50 of them, as he said...

I don't know A.J. personally. I've listened to his show on and off for a couple of years. He's quite animated. One could take that as being over the top and others might see it as being passionate.

I was told 4 years ago by a very wealthy individual..."It's all just entertainment". I believe him...until it affects my life in a negative way...then it's more than "entertainment"...well, I guess it still could be...just at my expense for someone else's pleasure. Get the point?!

Relax, and let the entertaining begin. The stage is set and the players are in position...

Not sure what A.J. has to do with the abortion count. But, interesting thought analysis on the Rebloodlicans. I can't stand them either. F'ck the two party system...it's corrupt beyond measure.

But, I still don't see what that has to do with over 333,000 lives obliterated in a single year. I see it as a moral dilemma. Just because you can, does it mean you should?
Granted, legislation would slow down the numbers...but really, what does this say about a nation that claims to be a Christian nation?

[motordavid]

I wonder what the world wide stats are for abortions annually? I could search, but lazy.

Otoh, if all those babies were/are born every year, where are they going to literally fit, and most of all, how would they all get fed, clothed, housed, schooled, etc?

I am not a Christian, but I am a US citizen.

[tynashracing]

Originally Posted by motordavid

I wonder what the world wide stats are for abortions annually? I could search, but lazy.

Otoh, if all those babies were/are born every year, where are they going to literally fit, and most of all, how would they all get fed, clothed, housed, schooled, etc?

I am not a Christian, but I am a US citizen.

I don't know motordavid. When I drive on 64, 40, 81, 95...I see an awful lot of real-estate that's empty land. However, when I visit NY, LA I see a very crowded space and see your point. I'm sure there are other metro areas that are quite crowded as well. Why? I suspect that that's where the jobs are located. Do you think we could spread things out a bit more? If they built factories in wide open spaces...I think populations would spread out to meet the demands. Infrastructure could be built and that would also be a source for putting people to work.

Honestly man, I don't know. It's just an alarming number to see that many killed in a single year.

[TerminatorX5]

this nation is One Nation under the God, not under Jesus, nor under Allah, nor under Jehova or Buddha... under God, in other words, it is a monotheistic nation... however, the State is SEPARATE from the Church, and it is absolutely irrelevant, if the nation is Christian, Muslim, or Jewish... we equally embrace pagans and atheists...

this is AMERICA - in my family i have very close relatives that are Christians, Muslims and Jews, and we all get along... we do have family disputes, and arguments, but they are NOT based on our religion... In AMERICA (the USA), we are all AMERICANS (not counting the illegals, they are here to "steal" the goods and services that they are not entitled to), and as such, we are one nation...

I totally don't dig the republican position on guns, but understand their stand on freebies to people who don't want to work...

I don't like dems spending like ther is no tomorrow but totally understand the fact that the nation can 't abandon the so unfortunate... this is not wild wild west any longer, and we are not in the jungle where everyone is for himself...

I've been to countries where they went from the socilaist system to capitalism overnight... they are being harolded for the move to capitalism on the international arena, they are good, blah, blah, blah... but i saw with my very own eyes elderly people dumpster diving for food...

i talked to an old lady (gave her $5), and she said, that she worked all her life and was supposed to get the gov-t sponsored pension, and under the "new management" got nothing... she was a street beggar... and in my travels i have seen street beggars that drove mercedeses (check out gypsies in Romania), she was a really poor person, abandoned by the nation... Next door nation, 2 hours drive by car, was a "socialist" country with probably the last dictator left in europe... I was amazed at the law and order there... but the people were oppressed...

I am glad we live in the US, where we do not have either extreme, but it is very important to ensure that we do not roll into one of the two pits...

and forcing women to have the unwanted babies is a DIRECT intervention of state in private matters... only a step away from tyranny that the gun owners are trying to scare us with...


100% ban on abortions - bad...
aborting a baby at 37th week of gestation - bad...

in many countries 12 weeks is the max term for an abortion...

doctors and women should resolve the issue, not bigots and politicians...

[tynashracing]

Originally Posted by TerminatorX5

this nation is One Nation under the God, not under Jesus, nor under Allah, nor under Jehova or Buddha... under God, in other words, it is a monotheistic nation... however, the State is SEPARATE from the Church, and it is absolutely irrelevant, if the nation is Christian, Muslim, or Jewish... we equally embrace pagans and atheists...

this is AMERICA - in my family i have very close relatives that are Christians, Muslims and Jews, and we all get along... we do have family disputes, and arguments, but they are NOT based on our religion... In AMERICA (the USA), we are all AMERICANS (not counting the illegals, they are here to "steal" the goods and services that they are not entitled to), and as such, we are one nation...

I totally don't dig the republican position on guns, but understand their stand on freebies to people who don't want to work...

I don't like dems spending like ther is no tomorrow but totally understand the fact that the nation can 't abandon the so unfortunate... this is not wild wild west any longer, and we are not in the jungle where everyone is for himself...

I've been to countries where they went from the socilaist system to capitalism overnight... they are being harolded for the move to capitalism on the international arena, they are good, blah, blah, blah... but i saw with my very own eyes elderly people dumpster diving for food...

i talked to an old lady (gave her $5), and she said, that she worked all her life and was supposed to get the gov-t sponsored pension, and under the "new management" got nothing... she was a street beggar... and in my travels i have seen street beggars that drove mercedeses (check out gypsies in Romania), she was a really poor person, abandoned by the nation... Next door nation, 2 hours drive by car, was a "socialist" country with probably the last dictator left in europe... I was amazed at the law and order there... but the people were oppressed...

I am glad we live in the US, where we do not have either extreme, but it is very important to ensure that we do not roll into one of the two pits...

and forcing women to have the unwanted babies is a DIRECT intervention of state in private matters... only a step away from tyranny that the gun owners are trying to scare us with...


100% ban on abortions - bad...
aborting a baby at 37th week of gestation - bad...

in many countries 12 weeks is the max term for an abortion...

doctors and women should resolve the issue, not bigots and politicians...

You know, I should've clarified "Christian nation"...I'm really referring to a nation that holds on to Judeo Christian ethics.

I'm not suggesting that the country has an official religion of Christianity. I've read where Dwight Eisenhower said "In 1952, President-elect Dwight Eisenhower, speaking to the Freedoms Foundation in New York, said, "Our sense of government has no sense unless it is founded in a deeply religious faith, and I don't care what it is. With us of course it is the Judeo-Christian concept, but it must be a religion that all men are created equal."

There have been numerous surveys about people's "religion" and overwhelmingly...the majority will say "Christianity". So, if there's a majority of Christians...and as a nation, hold on to Judeo Christian ethics...why so many abortions? Maybe we've turned a corner and no longer hold to Judeo Christian ethics?
Maybe, there's confusion as to what it means to be a Christian by the people answering surveys? Or, maybe now it's OK to be a Christian and support the murdering of innocent lives? Just seems like something is wrong with this picture, no?

And yes, absolutely...I agree with your first sentence where you said " this nation is One Nation under the God, not under Jesus, nor under Allah, nor under Jehova or Buddha... under God, in other words, it is a monotheistic nation... however, the State is SEPARATE from the Church, and it is absolutely irrelevant, if the nation is Christian, Muslim, or Jewish... we equally embrace pagans and atheists..." Well, I'll agree with the "it is absolutely irrelevant, if the nation is Christian, Muslim or Jewish" part provided that in the eyes/teachings of those various religions that..."ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL"

[TerminatorX5]

Judeo Christianity? i prefer term, Abrahamic religions, as each successuful religion claimed that they are the true one, and there are three major religions out there...

I do not wish to discuss the morals of any religion - jews have killed many people in the name of God, christians killed even more, starting with the christians and the muslims are still on the war path...

think about quakers, protestants... when the morals allowed burning someone for stupid reasons... these morals are worth nothing... if anything, i would understand the buddhists, at least they were consistent all along... or even - atheists, at least they don't pretend...

Read the bible stories about the jewish ethics... read the dark age history... about the christian ethics... read the news articles about the muslim ethics... they all had compromised themselves...

my grandmother used to say, that she believed in church but never trusted the priests - as the priests were pedofiles and adultiers... you can laugh all day long, but recent news articles support her non-scientific statements...

so, it is best to leave the religion out of the baby discussion and stick with science - why should a pregnant Thai woman adhere to white protestant's understanding of moral and bear a child that will bring hardship upon her and her family? it should be left up to her and her man - they are the ones who will be raising the kid, not the white protestant from the congress or senate...

[tynashracing]

Originally Posted by TerminatorX5

Judeo Christianity? i prefer term, Abrahamic religions, as each successuful religion claimed that they are the true one, and there are three major religions out there...

I do not wish to discuss the morals of any religion - jews have killed many people in the name of God, christians killed even more, starting with the christians and the muslims are still on the war path...

think about quakers, protestants... when the morals allowed burning someone for stupid reasons... these morals are worth nothing... if anything, i would understand the buddhists, at least they were consistent all along... or even - atheists, at least they don't pretend...

Read the bible stories about the jewish ethics... read the dark age history... about the christian ethics... read the news articles about the muslim ethics... they all had compromised themselves...

my grandmother used to say, that she believed in church but never trusted the priests - as the priests were pedofiles and adultiers... you can laugh all day long, but recent news articles support her non-scientific statements...

so, it is best to leave the religion out of the baby discussion and stick with science - why should a pregnant Thai woman adhere to white protestant's understanding of moral and bear a child that will bring hardship upon her and her family? it should be left up to her and her man - they are the ones who will be raising the kid, not the white protestant from the congress or senate...

OK, deal. Let's not make it about religion.

What does this say about America today? I constantly hear people talking about how precious life is...and yet.

Seriously, how can our youth believe us when we tell them how special they are while we're murdering hundreds of thousands each year. This has got to be having an affect on our children. Can they truly see life as being "precious"? Also, it smacks of hypocrisy. Children are precious in the 3rd or 4th grade, but not in the womb?

[TerminatorX5]

do you want a hollistic approach? when we resolve ALL issues at once? or, maybe, we deal with one thing at a time? Lets worry about the kids, that already alive... then, move our worry to unborn kids...

the institution of marriage was established due to the fact that the human offspring takes a lot of resources and time to raise into an independent adulthood - unlike cats, or dogs, or whatever, the humans usually do not litter and dump them in a 6 months... to raise a kid, you need two, that is why a man was "forced" by society to take care of the woman that he inpregnated. it was called marriage... that is why it was considered to be a "bad" woman to have a baby outside of wedlock... many cultures were like (not counting a small tribe in Nepal, where there is matriarchy) that, the birth of male-centric society... it was necessety...

that marriage institution is broken now - people live as BF/GF and have no "need" to get married... as a matter of fact, in VA, it is illegal to have sex unless you are doing it with your spouse... so, 50-80% of adult population in Va lives in violation of the law... lol...

we can't afford having babies that are abandoned, we can't have underground abortion clinics - the ban on abortion will bring us to that... a lot of abandoned orphans, and a lot of girls that die due to unqualified "medical" help... look at latin america - a lot of countries banned abortions... did people stop having sex? no... do they get pregnant? yes... do they have babies? yes... do they raise their own babies? not all of them - i do not have statistics, i can only go by what i saw on the streets - did not look too good... do they have abortions? yes, they do... it is more expensive, much riskier but it is still done... like the ban on pot stopped people from smoking... yeah, right... or, the prohibition... or the gun owners' argument, people will still have guns...

and besides, you keep talking about murdering... when a man spills his seed in vain, is it a murder? fishing using a worm, is it a murder? a worm has a beating heart... is a 3-day fetus a human being?... there is point, where that entity becomes oficially a human, the birth... prior to that, that entity can survive outside of womb, around 7th month of pregnancy, on its own... around 5th or 6th month, the entity can survive with medical help... before the 3rd month - it is not survivable, unless we are willing to make babies in glass tubes...

the medical society should establish certain guidelines and adhere to them...

not the people like you or me, screaming moral, or immoral...