Xoutpost.com

Xoutpost.com (https://xoutpost.com/forums.php)
-   X5 (E53) Forum (https://xoutpost.com/bmw-sav-forums/x5-e53-forum/)
-   -   FIXED: Return of the P0171 and P0174 (https://xoutpost.com/bmw-sav-forums/x5-e53-forum/93637-fixed-return-p0171-p0174.html)

diddy0071 09-11-2013 11:02 PM

No tests today (or Yesterday after the video). I was waiting to hear back from my friend's mechanic.

Filter installed:

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/12/uheda5a3.jpg


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - now Free

upallnight 09-11-2013 11:20 PM

Does this filter have a vacuum connection at the fuel regulator?

diddy0071 09-11-2013 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by upallnight (Post 955802)
Does this filter have a vacuum connection at the fuel regulator?

Yes.

Side note: I was mistaken on the vacuum lines. It does only have 1 vacuum line that goes directly to the regulator, no other vacuums, as your discussion earlier stated.

bmwven 09-12-2013 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by upallnight (Post 955701)
That fuel transfer has nothing to do with the fuel pressure in the fuel rail. That transfer is used to move fuel from the left side of the tank to the right side of the tank where the fuel pump is located. A bad fuel transfer will cause the engine to die/stall from a lack of fuel because the fuel sender is on the left side and the fuel pump is on the right side and if the fuel doesn't get transfer the fuel gauge will still read full but there is no gas in the fuel pump sump.

I disagree, there is a check valve inside the fuel transfer system that also acts as a regulator with impact on the fuel filter/regulator itself. The o.ring inside is so easy and cheap to change that if I were diddy0071 I will give a try

bcredliner 09-12-2013 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by upallnight (Post 955513)
Here's a video on tests for fuel pressure at the fuel rail and problems.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aITQclp7zIE

Since the pressure is going down when you rev the engine and you just changed the fuel pump it looks like you have a clogged fuel filter. Or the vacuum hose that is attached to fuel regulator is leaking. Did you remember to attach the vacuum hose to the regulator? You can connect a vacuum gauge to the hose (disconnect the hose from the regulator and install the gauge) to see if there is vacuum at idle and if the vacuum change when the engine is revved. The vacuum should drop when the engine is revved.

Do you have an appointment set with the BMW tech?

Have you tried using the testing method in the video from upallnight? If you have not, I think it would be very helpful. If you do, do so with someone else there so you can watch and video from beginning to end. Checking the vacuum hose at the regulator for a leak as suggested before you start.

If I understand correctly, you drove 500 miles after you changed the fuel filter with no problems at all, and during that time you didn't do any work, or change any parts--just all of a sudden you had the same symptoms as before? And, nothing comes to mind that happened that same day that might be connected?

diddy0071 09-13-2013 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bcredliner (Post 955899)
Do you have an appointment set with the BMW tech?

Have you tried using the testing method in the video from upallnight? If you have not, I think it would be very helpful. If you do, do so with someone else there so you can watch and video from beginning to end. Checking the vacuum hose at the regulator for a leak as suggested before you start.

If I understand correctly, you drove 500 miles after you changed the fuel filter with no problems at all, and during that time you didn't do any work, or change any parts--just all of a sudden you had the same symptoms as before? And, nothing comes to mind that happened that same day that might be connected?

I haven't gotten a call back from BMW Tech, still waiting on that (Weekdays are busy apparently).

And here is a video of my testing from last night:

Vacuum to Pressure Reg check - YouTube

As for your last question, nothing changed, no new parts, nothing. I took the vehicle for a carwash, went on a road trip to Fresno a few days before, filled the gas tank up with fuel and that is when the problems started.

upallnight 09-13-2013 12:17 PM

I think you have a bad fuel regulator. The fuel pressure should have gone up when you pulled the vacuum line at the F connector in the intake boot by at least 5 psi.

The reason why the fuel pressure drops when you rev the engine is because the engine uses more fuel, but since the regulator is not increasing the fuel pressure, whatever fuel in the rail is use up so the pressure drop.

diddy0071 09-13-2013 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by upallnight (Post 955976)
I think you have a bad fuel regulator. The fuel pressure should have gone up when you pulled the vacuum line at the F connector in the intake boot by at least 5 psi.

The reason why the fuel pressure drops when you rev the engine is because the engine uses more fuel, but since the regulator is not increasing the fuel pressure, whatever fuel in the rail is use up so the pressure drop.

Would a bad vacuum line at the regulator cause it as well?

upallnight 09-13-2013 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diddy0071 (Post 955980)
Would a bad vacuum line at the regulator cause it as well?

If the vacuum line was bad you wouldn't have vacuum so the pressure regulator will treat it as a wide open throttle condition since at wide open throttle there is very little vacuum. At wide open throttle the fuel pressure will be more than at idle.

In one of my previous posts I told you you could hook up a vacuum gauge at the vacuum line attach to the fuel regulator and observe the vacuum. Vacuum should be high at idle and low when you rev the engine. This will confirm if the hose from the F connector is holding vacuum.

Since the regulator is not increasing the fuel pressure that could account for the P0171 and P0174 lean bank code since there is not enough fuel going to the cylinders at high rev. Your test of the fuel pressure at the rail verify what I just posted.

diddy0071 09-13-2013 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by upallnight (Post 955982)
If the vacuum line was bad you wouldn't have vacuum so the pressure regulator will treat it as a wide open throttle condition since at wide open throttle there is very little vacuum. At wide open throttle the fuel pressure will be more than at idle.

In one of my previous posts I told you you could hook up a vacuum gauge at the vacuum line attach to the fuel regulator and observe the vacuum. Vacuum should be high at idle and low when you rev the engine. This will confirm if the hose from the F connector is holding vacuum.

Since the regulator is not increasing the fuel pressure that could account for the P0171 and P0174 lean bank code since there is not enough fuel going to the cylinders at high rev. Your test of the fuel pressure at the rail verify what I just posted.

I don't have a vacuum gauge...fml. And, the pressure regulator is brand new! I replaced the old regulator/fuel filter with this one and the symptoms never changed.


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:09 PM.

vBulletin, Copyright 2026, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.0
© 2017 Xoutpost.com. All rights reserved.