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If you want more, search. Read up on information be familiar with what you tell others then post up. Otherwise it looks like youre just saying crap blindly. If you were wanting a x5 specific 2010 flash. Ess has a flash at home unit for $1200.

The OBC is not expected to be accurate with this box installed. It is a documented side-effect of the box fooling the ECU. If you are measuring from tank to tank, and calculating manually, I would be interested in any improved fuel consumption. Unlikely though, as it takes fuel to make power, and if you are noticing more power, you are burning more fuel. If you aren't using any of the increased power, you wouldn't burn more fuel, but then what would be the point of having the tune?

We do what we can.

I don't think it is fair to lump all tuners in the category of shysters and thieves. I am also sure that there are some (lots) in the business.

Dinan is a different situation, IMO. They also charge a lot more, but their past relationship with BMW allowed them to get close enough to come up with a supplemental warranty. It isn't cheap, you can get more power for much less elsewhere. But it is safer than some unwarranted options out there. Even more so if you buy and install your Dinan products at your selling dealer. That puts your dealer in the warranty claim loop to both Dinan and BMW, which can work to your advantage.

TMS, selling the JB and JBD, is also in a different situation. They don't pretend to offer a warranty, and they are very clear about it. If there is a problem, it is your responsibility, not theirs. They don't meet emissions requirements. Their tunes are very cost effective. They are not shysters IMO. They take a low-tech approach, in that they don't worry too much about a check engine light, they just provide a tool to clear it if you get one.

Then there are the low buck outfits that claim all sorts of things, including that their tunes are not detectable. BS.

I just don't think that all of the above can be put in one group.

Let's not beat around the bush. Why don't you mention some names. I'm curious as to who you would lump into each particular category.

My only comment is that the forum you link to appears to be run by BMS. Terry and two employees are the admins. The forum was created after there were disputes on several pre-existing public forums, there were some individuals banned, and then that forum was created.

That isn't all a bad thing, X5World (now Xoutpost) was first populated by a group of refugees from another forum in 2005. N54tech is a little different IMO though. E90post is one source if you want to see the history of the disputed claims by various tuners.

There are far more vendors than I can possibly know or have an opinion on. I can evaluate warranty and non-detection claims by various vendors. I haven't got any experience with the validity of the hp claims by various vendors, only what I read. My dyno days were way back.

I think Dinan is reputable, and I put some value to their warranty. I also think they are expensive. If I wasn't buying Dinan from my dealer, I wouldn't put so much value to them, because I wouldn't want to deal with two different dealers who could split the liability in the event of a claim. I put Dinan in their own category.

I think BMS is honest about what they are doing. For those that want hp for low $$, they seem to have a following, and they are honest about their warranty. I put them in the honest and cheap category. You get what you pay for.

I think the Procede is a more elegant solution than the BMS products. I think it has more engineering in it, and a better approach to things like safeties. That costs more money, for around the same hp. I think it is worth paying for more engineering and features. I also think that Shiv, while talented, can be quite blunt. How is that for beating around the bush? I put them in the honest and more expensive category.

Who else do you want to discuss? How about if we put all of eBay in the shyster category, until proven otherwise? :rofl:

Sounds about right. Procede still claims that it cannot be detected by a dealer. Biggest mistake anyone can do is taking their vehicle in with a DCI clearly starring the SA's in the face. That is a clear alert sign that says " LOOK AT ME".... I would make sure to take it off, or not even put one on.

Thought I'd chime in here... Your 'only comment' is correct. However, to me, it comes across very misleading. There's no need to bring this up in a discussion about a JBD.
As a longtime member of e90post and n54tech I'm very well aware of the politics that went on - most of it behind the scenes of e90post. You will NEVER find any 'creative moderating' on n54tech unlike e90post which deletes threads and posts on a dialy basis. Members of Xoutpost can be confident that if they go to n54tech to learn more about the JBD that they will find 100% accurate & truthful information from Terry and all its other members.

As to this discussion; there's a lot of blanket statements here. Which, if I didn't know the JBD better, I would agree with. I've been using tunes from BMS in my cars for almost 4 years now. (JB2, JB3 and now the JB4) I personally know a happy & well informed JBD user. There is no secret how any of BMS's tunes operate. Its all on the forum. They are designed be safe and fun.

To anybody considering BMS products... Do some research and ask some questions on n54tech. I am positive you will get informative and honest answers to all your questions from Terry and all the other members.

I brought it up in response to a link that provided 22 pages of glowing product testimonial. That linked site appears to be owned and operated by the vendor under discussion. It is like watching an infomercial and comparing it to an independent news program. To me, it is not an independent source. It does have some good information on it. And I haven't heard that there have been problems with the JBD. There are members here who are happy with them.

BINGO ! That's what my point was when I asked to have the tuners "ranked". I am also well aware of what has happened at E90post. If you want to talk Procede, you will be allowed to discuss it all day long. I have seen many threads get locked or deleted because we all know who is funding the site. Research is important. There have been some ridiculous comments made in this thread. For those that are in the market for this type of an upgrade, just poke around the internet.