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Old 07-08-2006, 08:24 PM
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Well put.

It is interesting though, that between these three, they cover an entire spectrum of drivers by providing a rush in three distinct executions of power.
3 very different philosophies on how to engineer a state of the art high performance car.

Next year's BMW M3 vs. Audi RS4 vs. Infiniti Skyline GTR showdown is something to look forward to.
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Old 07-08-2006, 08:35 PM
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The suspension tuning is much better on the CLS63 that I drove. (pre-prod model) since my buddy is now an exec at MB. The E63 in comparison is not as well sorted out. the 6.2l motor is a marvel though. Fast/torquey, no fuss acceleration. Interior is very classy. Problem is you still got a torque convertor, no BT yet until next March, and Comand (older version still sucks). Also for almost 25K premium over the M5.. I took the M5.
Are you sure about the BT? They are advertising it right now LINK.

Yup, I want the CLS63. That's my car Money no object of course. I'll park it next to my 360 Modena Spider
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Old 07-08-2006, 11:18 PM
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Next year's BMW M3 vs. Audi RS4 vs. Infiniti Skyline GTR showdown is something to look forward to.
Is the GTR coming out that soon? I'm not a fan of the new M3, don't care much for the RS4 besides its handsome looks, and I'm so used to "Nissan" Skyline. Looks like I don't have anyone to root for.

As for the M5 versus S6 versus E63, people should stop expecting SMG to shift like a buttery smooth automatic. Get the 6-MT version next year.
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Old 07-09-2006, 12:21 AM
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I asked.. they tried to order the car with BT but they said no go for the E63 and CLS63 until March since both of them are still running the older COMMAND. They did say it's retrofitable (like what they said about NAV on the E55 awhile back) but knowing MB, it's going to be like $1000 to 1500 option.

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Are you sure about the BT? They are advertising it right now LINK.

Yup, I want the CLS63. That's my car Money no object of course. I'll park it next to my 360 Modena Spider
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Old 07-09-2006, 01:38 AM
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I asked.. they tried to order the car with BT but they said no go for the E63 and CLS63 until March since both of them are still running the older COMMAND. They did say it's retrofitable (like what they said about NAV on the E55 awhile back) but knowing MB, it's going to be like $1000 to 1500 option.
You looked into ordering an E63 or CLS63? I can't picture you driving a MB, LOL
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Old 07-09-2006, 01:50 AM
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CLS63... why not?? my dad used to own a 500E which I absolutely loved.

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You looked into ordering an E63 or CLS63? I can't picture you driving a MB, LOL
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Old 07-09-2006, 03:08 AM
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What's not to like in the MB E63?

My neighbor has an E55 and we've driven out to Temecula to play golf in it. It's an awesome drivers car. If you want to cruise, it does it. If you want to haul ass, it does it. If you want to go around things, it does it. It's a frigging torque monster compared to my old 540i. And the supercharger sounds wonderful (which you unfortunately won't get on the E63).

But from what I've read, the E63 has all of MB's advancements. 507/465 out of a V8 with more torque spread across the entire power band and a 7 speed transmission to make good use of it? It's all good!

Actually, what's not to like in all 3 cars? They're all awesome. At this price point, you have to factor in the resale value of the Audi. When you buy an Audi, it's never with the intention to keep it very long.
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Old 07-09-2006, 03:14 AM
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in regards to your audi comment, why is that? we've had our S4 (with the 4.2 V8) for about 2.5 years and we absolutely love it not to mention that it has been a hella lot more reliable than my E36 M3, my E46 M3 and my E39 M5.

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What's not to like in the MB E63?

My neighbor has an E55 and we've driven out to Temecula to play golf in it. It's an awesome drivers car. If you want to cruise, it does it. If you want to haul ass, it does it. If you want to go around things, it does it. It's a frigging torque monster compared to my old 540i. And the supercharger sounds wonderful (which you unfortunately won't get on the E63).

But from what I've read, the E63 has all of MB's advancements. 507/465 out of a V8 with more torque spread across the entire power band and a 7 speed transmission to make good use of it? It's all good!

Actually, what's not to like in all 3 cars? They're all awesome. At this price point, you have to factor in the resale value of the Audi. When you buy an Audi, it's never with the intention to keep it very long.
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Old 07-09-2006, 03:38 AM
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Agree with Josh. Remember, one of Josh's throwaway car was a E46 M3 with SMG. As a veteren E46 M3 SMG driver for the past 2 years, you re-learn really fast how to drive the SMG. It is like learning to drive stick for the first time. I can drive the M3 with SMG as smooth as an automatic car or as crazy-fast with quick wham-bam shifting.....The SMG is awesome for quick downshifting with SMG system blipping the throttle to rev-match your downshift!!

When I test drove the E60 M5 last week, any SMG M3 driver would feel right at home except it is even easier to be smoother in the M5. The M5 SMG III is quicker & smoother than the E46 M3 SMG II. To be honest, I never use the "automatic" mode....that is what driving the X5 with steptronic for....

Also, as a former Mercedes E-class owner, I agree with Josh. The Mercedes is nice & solid and rides well for cruising fast on the highway, but when it comes to driving dynamics with handling and driving-fun, the BMWs are always better than the Mercedes. Even though my old E-Class could go around a corner faster than most American sedans, the X5 actually was more fun to drive around a corner than the E-class. There is no good steering feedback in the Mercedes and always has syrupy throttle response vs. the BMWs.

So if you want solid fast sedan for the autobahn cruising, but don't care going on a mountain road, the Mercedes is fine. If you need AWD due to winter weather driving, get the Audi. If you want the best combo of a pure sports car driving experience packaged with luxury sedan--M5 hands down!!

There was a reason that we put tons more miles on the X5 than E-class. There is a reason why we put tons of miles on the E46 M3 (almost 45K miles with has been more reliable than the X5)...




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that's what idiots who do not understand what a sequential is thinks. It's not a auto so don't drive it a like an auto. After a little practice, you can be super smooth with SMG. I drove the CLS63. Was impressed but it still doesn't handle anything like the M5.. that's why I bought one.. The S6 is slow as molasses.. drove that too.
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Old 07-09-2006, 04:09 AM
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Mostly resale value, Josh. I'm not saying Audi's aren't great cars. But Audi's just don't hold their value well and they don't make good collectors cars. Maybe it's the crowd I keep (close friends and relatives), but I know alot of guys who have hung on to their Bimmers forever. I don't know anyone who has kept an Audi beyond 5 years.
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