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Old 12-17-2016, 08:58 PM
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The discussion about these bolts never makes sense in my pea brain. It always stems from they cost to much and from there it goes to all the guesses as to what the plate is for and why it is OK to use the bolts again and usually includes something about a BMW ripoff. I have never seen a post by someone that actually knows for sure why BMW states not to reuse the nut/bolts. That seems to get lost in the shuffle and in the end most reuse the bolts.

I think it is clear the plate is a functional contribution to the integrity of the suspension. I think the plate is part of the handling capability, keeping the suspension from folding under in extreme conditions, contributes to the life of some of the moving suspension parts and contributes to safety in a heavy side impact. I never reuse them just because that makes more sense to me.
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Old 12-17-2016, 11:16 PM
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The discussion about these bolts never makes sense in my pea brain. It always stems from they cost to much and from there it goes to all the guesses as to what the plate is for and why it is OK to use the bolts again and usually includes something about a BMW ripoff. I have never seen a post by someone that actually knows for sure why BMW states not to reuse the nut/bolts. That seems to get lost in the shuffle and in the end most reuse the bolts.

I think it is clear the plate is a functional contribution to the integrity of the suspension. I think the plate is part of the handling capability, keeping the suspension from folding under in extreme conditions, contributes to the life of some of the moving suspension parts and contributes to safety in a heavy side impact. I never reuse them just because that makes more sense to me.
, totally - right up to the point where I had to stump up $200 to replace them. So I didn't...
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Old 12-19-2016, 09:08 AM
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The discussion about these bolts never makes sense in my pea brain. It always stems from they cost to much and from there it goes to all the guesses as to what the plate is for and why it is OK to use the bolts again and usually includes something about a BMW ripoff. I have never seen a post by someone that actually knows for sure why BMW states not to reuse the nut/bolts. That seems to get lost in the shuffle and in the end most reuse the bolts.

I think it is clear the plate is a functional contribution to the integrity of the suspension. I think the plate is part of the handling capability, keeping the suspension from folding under in extreme conditions, contributes to the life of some of the moving suspension parts and contributes to safety in a heavy side impact. I never reuse them just because that makes more sense to me.
Agreed. These threads are getting very old.
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Old 12-19-2016, 11:57 AM
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But there are a lot of noobs coming on this forum because now these X's are affordable to a segment of the population that couldn't afford them before.
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Old 12-19-2016, 12:50 PM
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But there are a lot of noobs coming on this forum because now these X's are affordable to a segment of the population that couldn't afford them before.
Well then, conclude it does nothing and just use some bailing wire to hold it in place. Might rattle a bit but not going to fall off.
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Grade 8 3/8X2 inches, get (1) 2 ¼ inch one just in case. The 3/8 is a couple of thousandths in diameter smaller but has a higher tensile strength than the 10.9 ones.

6 bolts, 12 washers, and 6 nuts.

These are what used. I have 10K on them and had the stiffener plate off for the transmission rebuild. No problems yet with a heavy foot.
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Agreed. These threads are getting very old.
And still the conversation goes on and on.........
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And still the conversation goes on and on.........
x2... reuse if you want (I would)... buy aftermarket bolts... or bend over and buy new OE if you want.

We've seen plenty of posts of people reusing with no issues and a few where a rattle was detected. I'll be reusing mine, and in the event of a rattle, replace them with aftermarket. Buying $16 bolts sounds way too much like buying $100 HDMI cables to me.
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Its the fact that people are absolutely outraged at the price of these and do not look at the 'Search' function of this site, thinking they are the first and only person to be thinking "Hey, $16 bucks is a lot for a bolt" astounds me. Still, I am possibly guilty of asking the same questions over and over again to my wife.

Bolts, IMO - Use them again, don't over torque them OR if you have more cash than you need... be my guest and buy them. Hell, get them gold plated whilst you are at it. In the uk I ordered all 6 for 37.00GBPs which I thought was expensive so cancelled the order after some investigation.

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Well theyre not $16 theyre now almost $19 retail.

Wait to see price jump when Trump is sworn in, im sure I heard the Trump protestors saying the prices will double on these bolts.
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