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Old 09-30-2019, 05:19 PM
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Happy to help. You have a bug hunt on your hands..

uh...not if he returns it.


lets hope he did
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Old 09-30-2019, 05:29 PM
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uh...not if he returns it.


lets hope he can
FTFY

Here in Texas he would have a hard time turning the vehicle back in for a refund.
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Old 09-30-2019, 08:12 PM
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FTFY

Here in Texas he would have a hard time turning the vehicle back in for a refund.

Yeah, his first post has a plaintive line about 'buyback laws in Chicago'...and my response was going to be NO STATE, NO-WHERE has 'buyback laws' no rescission periods or cancellation clauses. (yes, some allow you to BUY the right to return a used car, I think CA? Ive never met someone that paid for that...)


But then he mentioned a lawyer buddy, and some kind of side agreement he had with the seller?


It is (still) surprising how many people think there is some return process with cars.....I mean maybe if you put it on your Amex Black?
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so they wouldn't take it back. The friend of a friend who's a lawyer ended up correcting themselves saying i could make them take it back in court only if they refused to fix it. But they told me they would fix it and ship it back to me. They just called me today saying they replaced the turbo wastegate solenoid and a few hoses i asked for a list of work done and parts replaced so i'll see exactly what they did once they email me. Also plan to take it BMW as soon as it arrives for a full inspection for peace of mind. anything else i should plan to do once it arrives? sell it? lol

sophisticated redneck: thank you for all the info! you mentioned how the wastegates can be adjusted. is there a way i can check too see if they adjusted vs replaced them?
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Old 10-01-2019, 01:56 PM
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And you are letting them fix it at any old fly by night shop?




You should pay a few $hundred and have a real lawyer look into this ASAP. If you wait a few weeks, you loose any slight leverage you have. Before they do much work, before they attempt to ship it to you...there should be a very sharply written letter. Fraud, known defects, etc, etc. They probably knew it had issues, patched it up and sold it with a warranty and now are charging the repairs to your warranty.



But you wont.
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I emailed an actual car dealer lawyer in Chicago and waiting to hear back. I figure if I make empty threats and they know the laws better than me then it might make the relationship needlessly worse. Once I better understand my rights i can make statements that I would be able to follow thru on.

I only took it back to them because the friend of a friend lawyer said if I take it back to them twice and it's still not fixed then I can take them to court to take it back and will win for sure.
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so they wouldn't take it back. The friend of a friend who's a lawyer ended up correcting themselves saying i could make them take it back in court only if they refused to fix it. But they told me they would fix it and ship it back to me. They just called me today saying they replaced the turbo wastegate solenoid and a few hoses i asked for a list of work done and parts replaced so i'll see exactly what they did once they email me. Also plan to take it BMW as soon as it arrives for a full inspection for peace of mind. anything else i should plan to do once it arrives? sell it? lol

sophisticated redneck: thank you for all the info! you mentioned how the wastegates can be adjusted. is there a way i can check too see if they adjusted vs replaced them?
happy to help but The term they used "wastegate solenoid" is kinda of generic term and doesnt sound like they replaced the wastegate actuator. To better understand I'll explain a bit (you may already know this but might be helpful to others): The Wastegate actuator is just that: its purely mechanical and not electromagnetic like Solenoids. It functions from the vacuum generated by the vacuum pump on your engine.

How much vacuum is controller by the pressure converters which are actual pulse-width modulated solenoid valves (fancy way of saying electric current is turned on and off really fast to adjust how much these valves open) These solenoids determine how much vacuum the wastegate actuators see and can go bad from time to time.

You also have the diverter Valves, which are another solenoid operated valve that open to relieve pressure when the throttle is closed and the turbos are spun up, allowing the turbo boost pressure to be redirected to the pre-intake turbo manifold (this is what makes those cool turbo noises) so you dont blow off an intake tube due to overpressure. If the diverter valve is leaking, it can cause the errors you were seeing too as the boost pressure will be leaking right into the pre-turbo intake stream.

So ask them for a more detailed description but I have a feeling its your pressure converters or Diverter Valves, the actuator itself rarely goes bad its such a simple device. Either of them are only around 100 dollars each and can be replaced by anybody handy with a wrench, so if the others go bad in the future, you can easily do it yourself if you wish to.

If it were me, this would be a red flag but not enough to return it as the car is near 7 years old with 60K, stuff like this goes bad from time to time. HOWEVER this is a 100,000+ dollar machine when it was new and you can easily sink tens of thousands in repairs if something serious goes wrong so definitely take it to the dealer and have it gone through and then make the call weather to keep or sell..Thats what I would do anyway.

BTW, if you decide to keep it, welcome to the fold!

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man, you are a wealth of knowledge. Thanks so much! I really love the X5M and feel comfortable doing all my own work (done most everything on a variety of N/A cars short of an engine rebuild and a couple other things... I've even rebuilt manual transmissions before). But the part that intimidates me is the turbos. that is something i've never tackled and don't know much about but i think would still be comfortable working on if i read up on it and it wasn't such an unknown to me.

Thanks for your support in all of this as well! If everything checks out at the BMW dealer I would love to keep it.

I'll update as this process moves along. thank you!
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I had a very similar problem recently. 2011 M, bought in California, on the drive home to Nevada, got the engine malfunction/reduced power alarm. Pulled over, shut it down and restarted and all seemed good. Over the next two weeks kept getting boost codes and torque reading codes. It would shut off the boost and it would drive like a slug. Ended up being an old battery. Put a new battery in and registered it, ran flawlessly since.

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man, you are a wealth of knowledge. Thanks so much! I really love the X5M and feel comfortable doing all my own work (done most everything on a variety of N/A cars short of an engine rebuild and a couple other things... I've even rebuilt manual transmissions before). But the part that intimidates me is the turbos. that is something i've never tackled and don't know much about but i think would still be comfortable working on if i read up on it and it wasn't such an unknown to me.

Thanks for your support in all of this as well! If everything checks out at the BMW dealer I would love to keep it.

I'll update as this process moves along. thank you!
No problem happy to help and keep us posted on how it works out
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