anyone else ordered new Passport 9500ci radar detector for their X5?

[FSETH]

Originally Posted by 2Fast455

You are totally misinformed. Trust me I use a police laser on a daily basis. The police laser picks up the signal of the jammer/shifter. I agree with you about slowing down but you are kidding yourself if you think you are invisible. I hope you also realize you can be convicted of speeding by the cops visual estimate.

Laser jammers do work to a certain degree regardless of what you think. Sure the LEO will get a breakthru at a certain point, but I would not take a ticket from a cop by "visual estimate" without fighting that to the end. I don't buy that for one minute. You would have to be hauling some serious ass or driving really recklessly for that to hold any water in court.

[2Fast455]

Originally Posted by FSETH

Laser jammers do work to a certain degree regardless of what you think. Sure the LEO will get a breakthru at a certain point, but I would not take a ticket from a cop by "visual estimate" without fighting that to the end. I don't buy that for one minute. You would have to be hauling some serious ass or driving really recklessly for that to hold any water in court.

Do you even know what a jammer does? Or are you basing all your knowledge on manufacturers claims? I hope you realize why they are called shifters. You seem to fail to realize all tickets are based on a cop's visual speed estimate. The laser, radar or pace is only cooberates the cops visual estimate. So by all means fight that to the end. See how far that gets you. Please enlighten us all to your vast hands on experience with a police laser? I am going to venture a guess here. ZERO.

Please explain what you mean by breakthrough. Or is this a case of you backpedaling. Now you say jammers only work to a degree. Do you know the width of the beam at 1000ft or 2000ft?

[FSETH]

Originally Posted by 2Fast455

Do you even know what a jammer does? Or are you basing all your knowledge on manufacturers claims? I hope you realize why they are called shifters. You seem to fail to realize all tickets are based on a cop's visual speed estimate. The laser, radar or pace is only cooberates the cops visual estimate. So by all means fight that to the end. See how far that gets you. Please enlighten us all to your vast hands on experience with a police laser? I am going to venture a guess here. ZERO.

Please explain what you mean by breakthrough. Or is this a case of you backpedaling. Now you say jammers only work to a degree. Do you know the width of the beam at 1000ft or 2000ft?

Backpedaling??

I have no experience using a police laser gun at all. Zero. I do know that there are many types of guns. The laser jammers have a varying success rate against the different types of guns.

Here is a pretty simple definition as to how they work, A laser jammer confuses the laser gun by establishing a series of infrared pulses in front of your vehicle. If the laser gun and jammer wavelength and frequency are matched, the jammer pulses disorder the return to the laser gun The return pulse, if any, is corrupted, and the speed cannot be read.

It is pretty common knowledge that the jammer will eventually be defeated by the laser gun. All it does at best is give you time to slow down before the LEO gets a reading on you.

I don't know how it works in your state, but police can't give speeding tickets in Georgia without mesuring the speed with an approved device such as a radar, laser gun or pacing. (or once again, if you are driving recklessly) Visual eveidence without any proof holds no water. There are many ways to get out of tickets here. Many cops use laser guns but are not lidar certified and the ticket is thrown out, also city police can't legally issue speeding citations that are less than 11 MPH over the limit in regular zones (Highway patrol can), also some speed limit signs are actually lower than the speed limit posted for that particular road in the law books and the ticket is thrown out. I have researched this heavily as far as Georgia law is concerned.

I will agree that the LEO can pull you over for just about any reason imaginable. There is just nothing they can do unless they have evidence that you were breaking a law and visual evidence for speeding is BS and if fought will more than likely be thrown out. I was personally pulled over for speeding when I was much younger by a "visual estimate" and the cop told me it was visual estimate. I was nearly doubling the speed limit. He told me he didn't have it on radar or laser and he let me go without any ticket. Not because he was a nice guy by the way.

Really don't know where you are coming from with your posts.

[2Fast455]

Originally Posted by FSETH

Backpedaling??

I have no experience using a police laser gun at all. Zero. I do know that there are many types of guns. The laser jammers have a varying success rate against the different types of guns.

Here is a pretty simple definition as to how they work, A laser jammer confuses the laser gun by establishing a series of infrared pulses in front of your vehicle. If the laser gun and jammer wavelength and frequency are matched, the jammer pulses disorder the return to the laser gun The return pulse, if any, is corrupted, and the speed cannot be read.

It is pretty common knowledge that the jammer will eventually be defeated by the laser gun. All it does at best is give you time to slow down before the LEO gets a reading on you.

I don't know how it works in your state, but police can't give speeding tickets in Georgia without mesuring the speed with an approved device such as a radar or laser gun. Visual eveidence without any proof holds no water. There are many ways to get out of tickets here. Many cops use laser guns but are not lidar certified and the ticket is thrown out, also city police can't legally issue speeding citations that are less than 11 MPH over the limit in regular zones (Highway patrol can), also some speed limit signs are actually lower than the speed limit posted for that particular road in the law books and the ticket is thrown out. I have researched this heavily as far as Georgia law is concerned.

I will agree that the LEO can pull you over for just about any reason immaginable. There is just nothing they can do unless they have evidence that you were breaking a law and visual evidence for speeding is BS and if fought will more than likely be thrown out. I was personally pulled over for speeding when I was much younger by a "visual estimate" and the cop told me it was visual estimate. I was nearly doubling the speed limit. He told me he didn't have it on radar or laser and he let me go without any ticket. Not because he was a nice guy by the way.

Really don't know where you are comming from with your posts.

I was just trying to help you understand laser until it seemed like you attacked me by your bs flag. You posted alot of wrong information in this thread. I am basing my information on 15 years of actual hands on experience with police laser. If you want I can pick apart all your misinformation and flip flopping (backpedalling).

The reason a jammer is actually a shifter is the fact it attempts to deflect the return beam of the laser. The laser needs approximately 3/4 of the beam shot at the car to calculate speed and distance it was received at. Your definiton you provided is for an active radar jammer. Hopefully you already know active radar jamming is against FCC rules.

I hope you realize that a cop needs to make a visual speed estimate BEFORE he use a laser or radar. That is why his visual estimate hold more water than the laser/radar reading. You might want to read up on case law in regards to that matter. By all means if you have case law stating you should post it up and help out fellow Georgia residents.

As far as cops issuing laser tickets without being certified can you provide any proofs or links to such claims. I find it hard to believe any of the traffic attorney would not make a huge stink about that in the media. Or is that just something you heard and thought may be true. I can't see many judges, court clerks ,city councilpeople and police departments allowing such.
"There is just nothing they can do unless they have evidence that you were breaking a law and visual evidence for speeding is BS and if fought will more than likely be thrown out." So you have no proof this is another more or less guess on your part. You aren't the type that thinks pleading to a reduced charge is actually beating a speeding ticket are you?

Your last claim is just utterly ridiculous. Since you claim you were nearly double the posted speed limit unless you were in a posted 20mph zone would that not fall into the reckless driving section (25mph over posted limit or"willful" disregard for the safety of other people, including other drivers and pedestrians.) I would be quite interested in hearing how you came to the conclusion why he let you go without a ticket without being a nice guy.

[2Fast455]

Here is another small tidbit that may help you out since you claim to know so much about Georgia traffic laws. Why dont you study up on
Casey V.State 254 Ga app 91.

Basically what it says is "Even if speed detection device results are not admitted/thrown out the violation IS established by given opinion of defendants speed. Hence by making a visual estimate the officer in regards to his training has established enough for conviction of speeding.

[FSETH]

Originally Posted by 2Fast455

I was just trying to help you understand laser until it seemed like you attacked me by your bs flag. You posted alot of wrong information in this thread. I am basing my information on 15 years of actual hands on experience with police laser. If you want I can pick apart all your misinformation and flip flopping (backpedalling).

I did attack you because you came on here throwing out a bunch of BS. That is what the flag was for. No flip-flopping or back pedaling here. Please feel free to point any out that you have seen. Are you a cop or do you play with laser guns for fun?

The reason a jammer is actually a shifter is the fact it attempts to deflect the return beam of the laser. The laser needs approximately 3/4 of the beam shot at the car to calculate speed and distance it was received at. Your definiton you provided is for an active radar jammer. Hopefully you already know active radar jamming is against FCC rules.

Jammers/Shifters like the Passport unit and Blinder units are not illegal in my state or 85%+ of the other states.

I hope you realize that a cop needs to make a visual speed estimate BEFORE he use a laser or radar. That is why his visual estimate hold more water than the laser/radar reading.

BS. THe laser/radar reading is what is important. Without it the cop can do legally do little. He may issues a ticket, but as I said before, cops issue illegal tickets everyday in this country and unless fought or researched people just pay them and never know the difference. It is all about making revenue for the city. WIth a visual estimate what is the cop basing his info on? What speed is the ticket written for, whatever the cops internal speed detection device determines? There are many rules/laws that are broken everyday as far as cops giving speeding tickets are concerned. You are one naive person if you think everything is done legit.

You might want to read up on case law in regards to that matter. By all means if you have case law stating you should post it up and help out fellow Georgia residents.

As far as cops issuing laser tickets without being certified can you provide any proofs or links to such claims.

http://thegeorgiaspeedingticketkille..._exposed_3.php


I find it hard to believe any of the traffic attorney would not make a huge stink about that in the media. Or is that just something you heard and thought may be true. I can't see many judges, court clerks ,city councilpeople and police departments allowing such.
"There is just nothing they can do unless they have evidence that you were breaking a law and visual evidence for speeding is BS and if fought will more than likely be thrown out." So you have no proof this is another more or less guess on your part. You aren't the type that thinks pleading to a reduced charge is actually beating a speeding ticket are you?

No, I don't think getting a reduced charge is beating a ticket.

Your last claim is just utterly ridiculous. Since you claim you were nearly double the posted speed limit unless you were in a posted 20mph zone would that not fall into the reckless driving section (25mph over posted limit or"willful" disregard for the safety of other people, including other drivers and pedestrians.) I would be quite interested in hearing how you came to the conclusion why he let you go without a ticket without being a nice guy.

I was going nearly 80 in a 45. Cop said he saw me speeding and then let me go without any citation or anything. He actually told me he didn't have a reading, only that he saw me speeding. Don't know how to prove that to you. It was nearly 10 years ago and unfortunately I don't have it on video or anything. I was just speeding though. Not swerving, changing lanes, tailgating or anything else.

Here is the deal. You are saying;

A) laser jammers do not work at all
B) laser jammers are illegal in every state
c) LEO can easily give tickets for visual estimates without a laser/radar/pacing reading and these charges are not easily overturned in court.

and I am saying you are completely wrong an all accounts. There really isn't any point arguing with you anymore at this point.

[2Fast455]

Originally Posted by FSETH

I was going nearly 80 in a 45. Cop said he saw me speeding and then let me go without any citation or anything. He actually told me he didn't have a reading, only that he saw me speeding. Don't know how to prove that to you. It was nearly 10 years ago and unfortunately I don't have it on video or anything. I was just speeding though. Not swerving, changing lanes, tailgating or anything else.

Here is the deal. You are saying;

A) laser jammers do not work at all
B) laser jammers are illegal in every state
c) LEO can easily give tickets for visual estimates without a laser/radar/pacing reading and these charges are not easily overturned in court.

and I am saying you are completely wrong an all accounts. There really isn't any point arguing with you anymore at this point.

A) Never said that. I corrected you in your misinformation. First you say cop wouldn't get speed reading then you backpedal saying its possible or unit needs to be shut down. You obviously have no experience with a jammer or a laser unit.
B)Never said that either. Only in the states of Nebraska, Minnesota, Utah, California, Oklahoma, Virginia, Colorado, Illinois and Washington DC. Radar jammers are illegal in all states.
C)Yes just showed you Georgia Case law that proves it.

Just stop posting crap you have no knowledge on.

[FSETH]

Originally Posted by 2Fast455

Here is another small tidbit that may help you out since you claim to know so much about Georgia traffic laws. Why dont you study up on
Casey V.State 254 Ga app 91.

Basically what it says is "Even if speed detection device results are not admitted/thrown out the violation IS established by given opinion of defendants speed. Hence by making a visual estimate the officer in regards to his training has established enough for conviction of speeding.

Searched for this for 25 minutes and found zero. Why don't you post a link?

[FSETH]

Originally Posted by 2Fast455

A) Never said that. I corrected you in your misinformation. First you say cop wouldn't get speed reading then you backpedal saying its possible or unit needs to be shut down. You obviously have no experience with a jammer or a laser unit.
B)Never said that either. Only in the states of Nebraska, Minnesota, Utah, California, Oklahoma, Virginia, Colorado, Illinois and Washington DC. Radar jammers are illegal in all states.
C)Yes just showed you Georgia Case law that proves it.

Just stop posting crap you have no knowledge on.

Guess you didn't want to answer that cop question. I can tell by the attitude though, so no need to actually answer.

You are taking things way too literally. We already established that there is NO real way to be completely invisible to laser. A jammer is the best thing going to protect yourself as much as you possibly can. Once again, it has already been established that some guns will get a reading faster than others and some jammers/shifters will prolong the reading longer than others. It is about protecting yourself and giving yourself as many seconds to slow down as possible. Everyone knows you can't drive 100 mph into a cops laser gun with a jammer and be protected completely without having to slow down. Let's be serious.

I posted the definition of how the Blinder laser jammer works right off of their website. Then you went on to say that type of jammer is illegal per FCC regulations, which was competely inaccurate. The Blinder units are legal in most states.

You also said cops wouldn't give illegal tickets and that is also 100% false. It happens in the US everyday.

Then you post some random case and give no link or proof. I gave you links of things I have said. It is very easy for someone such as yourself to get on here and accuse someone of being wrong and then provide no actual evidence to back up what you are saying.

Why don't you show me any legit state law that says speed detections devices are not required for a cop to issue a speeding ticket and if such a ticket is issued, what the chances of that ticket being upheld is?

Why don't you show me a link that says laser jammers aren't the most helpful device in avoiding speeding tickets?

Why don't you show me where Blinder laser jammers are outlawed by the FCC as you said before?

You are wasting my time.

[2Fast455]

This took all of about a minute. You truly are clueless. Its even on your georgiaticketkiller site


http://thegeorgiaspeedingticketkille...GUIDELINES.pdf.

I guess all you know how to do is search g\uysoflidar sites