Any 35D Owners install this performance tune?

[Aidan]

Originally Posted by Terry @ BMS

Oh, Aidan is a competitive vendor? Now his statements make sense. LOL!

The JBD retails for $279 and the customer can install/remove in seconds without visiting a tuner shop. The difference vs. stock is really night and day. What do you charge for your flash tuning? And how much time does the customer have to sit around while you upload and download maps on the car? And then for warranty work to go back to stock again? I do flash tuning as well and it can work quite well when done right. But it is a much more expensive option in the case of the X5D/335D. And in general has advantages and drawbacks vs. piggyback tuning..

I am not a vendor on this forum. I also do not consider you selling these boxes as a competitor.
I am also not interested in looking at petrol gas dyno charts.

I have wasted enough time on this thread, you can sell away at your tuning boxes but do appreciate people like myself who has the right of opinion and offer their opinion about tuning boxes to members.

You also cannot compare custom flash tuning to plug in tuning boxes. They are both in leagues of their own.

[Terry @ BMS]

We are already 15 pages in here. Might as well come to some sort of a conclusion as you've strung us all long this far.

A good way to look at it is a value comparison. So, what do you offer the X5D customer? In terms of cost and performance increase? Maybe we can find an independent party to test both and while considering price and ease of install/removal have them highlight each and what they feel what offers the best value and overall experience.

[Aidan]

Originally Posted by Terry @ BMS

We are already 15 pages in here. Might as well come to some sort of a conclusion as you've strung us all long this far.

A good way to look at it is a value comparison. So, what do you offer the X5D customer? In terms of cost and performance increase? Maybe we can find an independent party to test both and while considering price and ease of install/removal and highlight what he or she thinks offer the best value and overall experience.

My customer will recieve a brand new ecu flashing interface (Genuine, not a cloned copy). They will have full instructions to how to plug it into the OBD port, take a reading from the ECU, email to me, I will custom tune it to tailor their needs and yes I can cater for DPF and EGR deletes, I will mail them 2 tuned files - One for Power and one for Economy. The customer can upload the power tune or switch to the economy tune if they are going on long journeys.
The customer can simply revert back to the Original tune in the event of going to the Main Dealers.
They can switch between Power, Economy and standard tunes as they wish.
If they sell their car they can use the same interface on their new car and remap it also etc.

Differences of custom ecu flash tunes VS plug in box into the fuel pressure sensor... Well do I really have to go there

[Aidan]

As for the performance increase.. It really differs big time.

The drivability is so much smoother with the removal of flat spots from the map.
Better MPG
NO black smoke
Powerband spread across the COMPLETE rev range
Higher torque
More BHP

I can give BHP figures and Torque figures if I know the year and model of X5

[Aidan]

RESEARCH, Go for it everybody. Google.com Remap VS. Tuning Box.

Please don't visit the sites that are commercially run by tuning box suppliers as they, as you know, are biased

[Terry @ BMS]

Originally Posted by Aidan

My customer will recieve a brand new ecu flashing interface (Genuine, not a cloned copy). They will have full instructions to how to plug it into the OBD port, take a reading from the ECU, email to me, I will custom tune it to tailor their needs and yes I can cater for DPF and EGR deletes, I will mail them 2 tuned files - One for Power and one for Economy. The customer can upload the power tune or switch to the economy tune if they are going on long journeys.
The customer can simply revert back to the Original tune in the event of going to the Main Dealers.
They can switch between Power, Economy and standard tunes as they wish.
If they sell their car they can use the same interface on their new car and remap it also etc.

Differences of custom ecu flash tunes VS plug in box into the fuel pressure sensor... Well do I really have to go there

And what is the USD cost for this loading interface and your tuning fees? I'm sure we can locate a customer with neither tune willing to try both and give his impressions of the value of each.

[Aidan]

Originally Posted by Terry @ BMS

And what is the USD cost for this loading interface and your tuning fees? I'm sure we can locate a customer with neither tune willing to try both and give his impressions of the value of each.

Do you honestly need to get somebody to test both of them? You are so thick to admit a tuning box is inferior to a new custom ECU tune?
I think you have alot to learn about tuning European cars:

[Terry @ BMS]

Originally Posted by Aidan

Do you honestly need to get somebody to test both of them? You are so thick to admit a tuning box is inferior to a new custom ECU tune?
I think you have alot to learn about tuning European cars:

I don't know how things work over there but here customers are interested in value. What they are getting in return for their money. So what is the USD cost for your tuning solution? And then how much better is it for the average customer than our $279 solution? This requires some testing don't you think? The JBD does not smoke and runs as smooth or smoother than stock with much less throttle lag. Mileage is improved slightly during low throttle use.

We can offer flash tuning with the dimsport setup and they can use an at home genius system to load it but it's a much more expensive proposition, and the gains are not much higher than the JBD. Not enough to justify 4-6x the cost.

[N55X5]

Terry, no offense, but that's like asking Shiv to do an independent test against your tune... (or vise versa).

It would be interesting to see an independent party do a test... But as Aidan has clearly stated he doesn't even consider you competition... As backward as that is..

When comparing other flash tunes from GIAC, COBB and some of the other flash tuners, to the piggyback systems the performance from the piggies is on par and in most cases better than any flash offers. Piggys are limited to the 13-15psi that flashes seem to be limited to, and with the introduction of upgraded turbos, Downpipes, and the such, Piggy systems seem to be able to handle and provide more power than a flash can. Maybe your flash (Aidan) can provide support for these Stg 2 and 3 cars, but most of the flashes out currently don't seem to have the complete support system in place that piggy's have. I don't know of any flash that supports the use of Meth either. the JB4 and Vishnu V4/5 both have safety measures built in to support the use of Meth. Have you come up with a way to provide a safe usage of Meth in the cars you flash?

All very serious questions, and not meant to degrade your product (Aidan, as you are currently an unknown to the US tuning scene), but this is important when comparing your product to what you call inferior products.

Can I also assume that you do not tune Petrol / Gas engines, and only Diesel? Or am I mistaken. I'm just trying to clear the air (seeing how this was originally a x35d thread)

[Aidan]

Originally Posted by N55X5

Terry, no offense, but that's like asking Shiv to do an independent test against your tune... (or vise versa).

It would be interesting to see an independent party do a test... But as Aidan has clearly stated he doesn't even consider you competition... As backward as that is..

When comparing other flash tunes from GIAC, COBB and some of the other flash tuners, to the piggyback systems the performance from the piggies is on par and in most cases better than any flash offers. Piggys are limited to the 13-15psi that flashes seem to be limited to, and with the introduction of upgraded turbos, Downpipes, and the such, Piggy systems seem to be able to handle and provide more power than a flash can. Maybe your flash (Aidan) can provide support for these Stg 2 and 3 cars, but most of the flashes out currently don't seem to have the complete support system in place that piggy's have. I don't know of any flash that supports the use of Meth either. the JB4 and Vishnu V4/5 both have safety measures built in to support the use of Meth. Have you come up with a way to provide a safe usage of Meth in the cars you flash?

All very serious questions, and not meant to degrade your product (Aidan, as you are currently an unknown to the US tuning scene), but this is important when comparing your product to what you call inferior products.

US Tuning scene? Get a life man the cars in question are European cars FFS!


"Piggys are limited to the 13-15psi that flashes seem to be limited to, and with the introduction of upgraded turbos, Downpipes, and the such, Piggy systems seem to be able to handle and provide more power than a flash can.

Are you well? You are posting absolutely utter junk. A complete custom ecu tune is what is needed in order to compensate the installation of upgraded turbos, downpipes and the such.
It is obvious that you are not very well informed in the tuning scene so please dont post here on this thread anymore it was funny at the start but now the biased stupidity is getting boring.