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Assuming he made a good point there, do you think it's wise to have your armies each randomly deciding on what it wants to do, whether to fight or to embrace the chance of getting slaughtered without proper preparation? Wouldn't a coordinated / joint effort be a much better / winnable stratetagy? You are saying each and everybody has the personal right to decide what he/she wants to do in the face of this pandemic, to open for business or to stay safe and at home. Do you realize how much chaos that would actually create? How can you successfully contain this pandemic if you don't have a country wide plan in place? Once you get the great machine of us economy rolling again with each state deciding on what it wants to do, closing or opening, without any central government strategy or leadership, I can tell you this much: It will make everything much much worse. Open the economy, sure, but open it smartly, and with a good strategy in place to prevent further infection. Keep on calling the virus whatever name flows your boat, does not make it any less lethal. It only serves to place blame and divert people's attention on what they should be focusing on: Contain the spread and flattening the curve. I want to go back to business yesterday. Have employees to worry about and bills to pay. But I know how dangerous it is to start the interacton with people again, without a good prevention strategy in place. There's state to state commerce, exhibitions, conventions, sales meetings, clients wanting to see your samples, your warehouses, your offce listings, the list goes on. We need to develop a strategy that covers as much of the population as possible. And it better be comprehensive and enforceable. I don't give a rats ass about your personal freedom to not use a mask. Stay at home if you don't want to wear one. If you want to do business, put it on the minute you leave your house. Use gloves whenever possible. There's new key like gadegets out there that allows you to points the touch pad screens without using your fingertips. I live in California and I'm glad I have a governor who uses common sense and places peoples lives on top of everything else. I only wish all the governors participate and make a joint effort and strategy on how to open the economy. Hammer and Dance. |
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I don't know which studies you believe the results of. From past "discussions," with myself and others none that might not support your beliefs. Disregarding a 50 year old study simply because it was old is about as short sighted a thing as I've heard lately. Imagine disregarding all the studies on green house gases or ocean temps from Al Gore's time. Or oceanic work of Jacque Cousteau. Ridiculous. |
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This is a terrible time and this is something we have had no experience dealing with. Our discussion has been about opening or not opening the economy. Thus far the medical experts have said testing and tracing is insufficient everywhere so the success or failure of any plan can not be monitored. My guess is some areas will do fine but others will run the infected numbers back up. Measures available to protect ourselves are not without flaws. I don't want to infect anyone or get infected so I have chosen to follow the guidelines of the medical experts. They may not have it all right but they know more than we do. I don't think we are qualified to doubt their plan or determine one on our own. I don't see where doing anything else has merit. Sorry for your loss and that you haven't been able to find work. |
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As the far left or far right is apt to do, you are trying to apply a single method of attack to a 350 million person population, spread across vast distances, with varying population densities, methods of transportation, with vastly different experiences of this pandemic. Some states haven't hit triple digit deaths yet. Let me ask this, how long do you think a shelter in place order would take to guarantee the virus would not come back? I think it would take until you could test every adult in the population. |
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But there should be some basic rules that will apply across the board, for instance the requirement to wear masks when in public, making Purell or equivalent available for all meetings or at access points and keeping 6 ft apart, etc, especially when the interaction is across statelines. I'm certainly no expert but I have been waiting thus far without joy to see some concrete and thoughtful plan to open the economy from the federal level . As for the exact duration for implementing the stay at home order, this is certainly not an easy question to answer. Stay home too long and you won't have an economy to go back to, stay too short and you risk expanding an ever increasing infected population. "Hammer and dance", is probably a good approach. You "tiptoe", or open the economy in a limited fashion while maintaining all prevention measures available, and see what happens. If the infection rate goes up, you bring down the hammer (the stay home mandate). It's not going to be a smooth transition. There's going to be a lot of start and stop. But it might just be the new norm that brings us control over our lives and over this nasty virus. |
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My opinion concerning the deaths due to unemployment has nothing to do with any other study. "Discussions" on any other study would need to be evaluated individually. No, I can't imagine ignoring studies on greenhouses gases though I would start reading the most recent study. I would love to hear why communication, medication and financial opportunities of that time don't matter. This started when the study was used to contend 1% increase in unemployment resulted in 40,000 deaths. That's what I challenged. Since then I have been proven wrong that it was from a movie script and the death rate range was acknowledged in that study that it could be a low as 1,500. The process of that unemployment study might provide some basis for updating but it should not be accepted without questioning viability when it is 50 years old. |
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