Reputable economists are saying the economy will survive. The caveat is if the virus cannot be reduced to a manageable level. The majority think that even if we are quickly successful in doing so it will be years before economy gets back to the point it was. If we have a second spike due to poor opening plans or too many individuals decide the guidelines don't apply to them it could then be catastrophic but not to the point that recovery is not possible.

If one is not part of the solution they are part of the problem and they are contributing to greatly increasing the risk the financial impact to each of us and the country. If we screw up the opening of the economy we will be back to closing up America and sheltered in place. If some of anecdotal opinions here represent a significant representation of the country, start preparing your chapter 13 paperwork.

Public corporations and large companies are well into plans to eliminate jobs or replace them with automation. Their goal will be to do whatever possible not to invest in larger facilities to comply with even short term guidelines. Part of the longterm planning will be an assumption that some, especially social distancing will stay in place which further justifies investments in automation even in these troubled times. They have to focus on reducing the cost of material, labor and burden. They are preparing a near and longterm list of people and jobs to be eliminated. In many cases their bottom line is already in the crapper for this year. interest rates are as low as they every will be. So there will be great urgency to adjust as quickly as possible. Following the lowest labor rate on the planet will be even more important.They have to get back to prior shareholder value and find ways to increase it. Senior management jobs, bonuses and perks depend on getting it done very quickly.

Small businesses, far less financially stable, will also be eliminating jobs because their customer base will be smaller and/or they won't have the space to serve them. The horse is already out of the barn and if we do not contribute to the guidelines many of us that won't have a horse or barn.

The public is the biggest contributor to the successful opening of the economy. Do your part!

I am going to respectfully disagree with this statement.

I personally am not at the mercy of this virus, or any virus for that matter. I am at the mercy of God and healed by his Son.

In my own opinion, someone with the virus may say the name Jesus in prayer with a hope of getting better. But I tell you, without genuine belief or faith that he arose from his grave trampling on death to fulfill Gods command, it’s just another name.

Jesus life up to his crucifixion was well documented by multiple nations. Believing he was on earth is not faith. That’s having historical knowledge. Faith or belief is that he defeated death. This is where many human beings will be at a crossroad.

For me personally, I was at that crossroad at 15 years old. But that’s me. I will never force my belief on anyone. Arguing, that my way is the right way, and yours is wrong, is irresponsible. We must respect one another.

It’s a human being’s own responsibility to maintain their health. If one believes that there are irresponsible human beings out in the community, it’s your own responsibility to protect yourself. Avoid all circumstances to the best of your own ability that may have a negative impact on ones health.

If the police say, “don’t go into that neighborhood, there is a high homicide rate”! Are you going to go in and negotiate with the murderers not to kill you? Any sensible person is going to avoid the danger. However, just because the police made the suggestion doesn’t mean you have to follow it. It’s ones own choice to make that decision.

I believe instead of arguing our beliefs back and fourth, we should be respecting each other’s beliefs. Together we should compile a solution that best fits our individual needs. Working together will always be a stronger force. Division will only make things worse.

Humans are NOT perfect. We have flaws. We should not beat up on one another! No one on this thread is perfect.

This is just my opinion.

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couldn't have said it better. Do your part people!

I'm not sure I follow. Are you saying the virus is only killing or infecting non-God fearing peoples?

Agreed, I don't stand next to people who are smoking during normal times. And under current circumstances, I only go out when I have to, wear my mask, have my sanitizer in my pocket, and I definitely distance myself from anyone not wearing a mask.

I think that's a contradictory idea. I think we have to find a solution that would best fit the majority of citizens at the expense of some. There will be no best solution for everyone, and maybe that's why this thread is going the way it is. To quote Science Officer Spock, "The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."

Agree with that whole heartedly.

Agree. Wear yours masks, social distance, etc. These measures will be in place for at least the rest of 2020 (maybe 2021) so might as well get used to them. But even with these measures we are just slowing infection rates. We will likely all be infected, and worse likely all know someone who has died. Much like the different variations of cancer.

I agree it will be years before a recovery. 2008 crash took 5 years to get back to previous highs. I can't find any consensus by economists one way or the other for predictions to open. Most admit this is an unknown in terms of history. Most also agree it would require testing every worker. That's not going to happen in a country our size. And the models for a possible opening are changing very rapidly due to the ever changing data (and accuracy/inaccuracy of the data).

To get back to the Spock quote, the majority of Americans need to work. Whether companies are actively trying to downsize the workforce (they are as redliner said) in the future, they can't right now. So if allowed to operate, at least people can work.

The greatest danger in this all might be the sheer amount of debt being accumulated by the Fed. The number of the unemployed drawing more income now than they did when working is troubling. Americans aren't dumb and they have lost any sense of shame in taking handouts from the government. They will choose to be unemployed versus working for less money. States are losing tremendous income, as are cities. The states are asking for money from the Fed, as are the unemployed, as are the businesses (both big and small), the airlines, cruise industry, and the list goes on and on. Forget the virus, deflation might be the ultimate plague.

You choose to post a part of your response as I am looking for someone who is at fault. That's the last thing I would ever focus on. As part of your condolences you included a but. A 'but' discounts everything that is said before. You just can't stop playing point and counterpoint for even one post, that's both sad and disgusting.

The guidelines have been in place for several months. If we followed the guidelines we wouldn't have near 60,000 deaths. Solicit as many people to follow your path, maybe you can help double that number.

I don't need your advice on what I should do or suggest I am well aware that I could still be infected. What you need to do is do your part. If not, you are part of the problem and potentially contributing to your financial concerns.

The truth is not we are at the mercy of the virus. We are at the mercy of all Americans. Without a host there is nothing to infect.

People don't HAVE to go back to work and there is no guideline they can't go outside. They CHOOSE to go back to work even at the potential expense of others and their loved ones. As has been said, this is not rocket science. It's not even paper plane science.

I don't believe your- sorry for your loss- is sincere or no one has taught you how to write one. If you would like an excellent example please see recent post by Maruzo. Writing one is not even paper plane science either.

Your go to is that I don't listen and only slightly vailed and an a%shole. Unfortunately for you I agree with those that have a clue what they are touting, those trained and experienced with stopping viruses. I'm just passing on that expertise on for those that just don't get it, to those that are too busy looking for ways to do discount the guidelines, what they are asked to volunteer doing by the leadership of this country that protects our freedom.

Yes, I am concerned about my safety but also that of others. It's hard but I still include you.

No, I believe the virus will or has infected mankind.

I have been ill for months now. I have had numerous symptoms that this virus produces. I’ve had good days, and some tough ones. I feel like my health is trending upward though. Healing for me from this virus has been a slow and long process.

I will be totally healed in JESUS name. For me his name is above or out ranks the virus name covid19. My day of passing is determined by God. Not some virus.

The shortness of breath and blood pressure issues though, have been trialing. When I am completely healed from this, I will have been reconditioned in a way that words cannot explain. I am already beginning to see life in a new way. I will work on not taking things for granted, but as Blessings or gifts. I’ll also need to address my arrogance. I have learned it’s a useless trait, and has no positive effect on my life.

I think we should work together to compile multiple solutions to fit the multitude. Every human circumstance is going to be different. A one size fits all will fail every time. Humans are created completely different from one another, and so what one of us thinks is sufficient, another may find it appalling.

I’ll agree with you about there being no best solution. This is a very trialing time in which mankind was not prepared for during this current society.

My goal by posting today, was to hopefully change the direction of this thread. But, I am only one man. It will take us all uniting and respecting each other’s beliefs to come together.

I still believe bashing one another will have no positive impact on our forum families acquaintanceship.

Dude, change your tampon for fuck's sake.

Ah, gotcha. Then I wish you the best in your recovery.

Well, some people are so far apart there's really no hope of finding common ground. Is what it is. As you said, we're just humans... imperfections and all.

There was a United States before this outbreak, there will be one afterwards. There was one before Trump, there will be one afterwards.

Welp, I wash my hands of you. Rarely do I wish I was as curt as OB, but this is one of those instances. Don't think I've encountered someone quite like you in my years of forum use. I hope to never again.

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Thank you.

For me giving up on hope is not an option. I’ll pray till my last breath, that peace be upon mankind. Also, from my belief. There was only one human to walk this earth as we. He was and is perfect.

That is true.

Outbreaks come and go.

Humans come and go.

Even ones that carried the direct dna of God himself. Some have been granted power to come and go even after death.

Been this way for thousands of years.

Just one man’s belief, who’s weight is equal to one grain of sand.