Everyone can make a choice but they don't have free choice. Freedom has limitations. Those limitations are there for individuals. that risk or infringe on the health and welfare of others.

Thank you. Very nice of you.

We are probably all going to get infected over the next year or two. Maybe longer.

Redliner, condolences to your family and sister. But come on now. No one knows exactly where someone gets infected or how. Still obviously a tragic loss, and I know everyone wants to believe someone or something is at fault, but to say you know it was someone acting irresponsibly is just not possible.

Truth is, we are all at the mercy of a virus that will infect where/when/whom it can. If you want to mitigate the risk as much as possible, stay home, have groceries and purchases delivered, disinfect everything before it enters the house, and don't go visit or have visitors. Even if you do all that, there is still a chance of missing something on mail or deliveries. But others don't have the choice to wait in their home for months, unfortunately, and must work outside the home.

Again, sorry for your loss.

No problem. Did you like the bikini girl? That's for you!

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With all the personal freedom to do what I choose is right for me, and not imposing my choice on anyone else, why can I not keep a nuclear bomb at my ranch? How would that affect any of you? I promise not to use it, but still, the stupid repressive government prohibits me from owning it and keeping it on my own property. What a shameful incursion and attack on my personal rights. Repressive dictatorship going on that’s for sure.

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I believe that method of argument is called reductio ad absurdum. Rarely a good way of supporting one's position as it ignores nuance and subtlety.

We can't begrudge people for needing to make a living. Are some people going to act irresponsibly, yep, sure, always going to happen. But the majority of Americans can not afford to stay in a complete lock down.

It's just good old fashioned sarcasm, which some of us here uses prolifically.

I don't see u calling his use "reductio ad absurdum"

Did EODguy? I went back up and a page back. It certainly applies to everyone on both sides of the debate. If I missed it, it should also be pointed out.

Edit: oh zonefive with the sports? Yeah, that could be absurdum, though I would say less egregious than nuclear arms. And he did pose a course of action for those interested in self quarantining. It will remain the best way of mitigating the personal risk of catching the virus. But again, that is not a viable option for the majority of Americans.